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The Pope vs. Muslims
1.       si++
3785 posts
 02 Oct 2011 Sun 09:21 am

Pope Benedict

Gregorio Borgia / AP Photo

 

Buried away on page 48 of the former press proprietor Conrad Black’s superb, soon-to-be-published autobiography, A Matter of Principle, is the answer to a burning question that very many people have been asking for several years: What does the pope really think about Islamic immigration into Europe? What, in his heart of hearts, does the Supreme Pontiff of the world’s estimated 1.15 billion Roman Catholics truly feel about the future of Western civilization in a continent that has seen such large-scale Muslim immigration over the past half century?

Everyone remembers the massive international controversy surrounding Pope Benedict XVI’s lecture at Regensburg University in September 2006, when he quoted the Byzantine emperor Manuel II Palaiologos, one of the last Christian rulers before the fall of Constantinople to the Ottomans: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." There were riots in the streets of many Muslim countries, the Pakistani Parliament demanded a retraction, Christian churches were firebombed—including five in the West Bank and Gaza, our exciting new Palestinian state—and 100 Muslim clerics wrote an open letter criticizing the speech, even though all the pope was doing was quoting someone else. As security was stepped up around St. Peter’s, the Vatican issued an apology, saying that the pope "sincerely regrets that certain passages of his address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim faithful and should have been interpreted in a manner that in no way corresponds to his intentions."

Now, however, Lord Black’s authoritative and highly readable new memoir (full disclosure: I’m a dedicatee) reveals that at a small dinner party given at the home of Cardinal Gerald Emmett Carter, the then–cardinal archbishop of Toronto, in 1990, the then-cardinal Joseph Ratzinger—now Pope Benedict—"lamented ´the slow suicide of Europe:´ its population was aging and shrinking, and the unborn were being partly replaced by unassimilable immigrants. He thought that Europe would awake from its torpor, but that there were difficult days head." Black concluded that "Like other cardinals of my acquaintance (including our host), he was a far-sighted judge of important secular matters."

 

From: here

2.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 02 Oct 2011 Sun 06:53 pm

I don´t think it is any secret how the Pope feels and I don´t think it is wrong for Westerners and the leader of one of the worlds leading religions to realize that things are changing and to mourn the perceived loss of Western civilization as we know it or have known it. There are turbulent times ahead as eastern and western cultures converge and change.  There will be sadness, fighting and resistance...but as always human evolution can not be stopped...change is coming.  Some are just not dealing with it as well as others.  



Edited (10/2/2011) by Elisabeth

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3.       alameda
3499 posts
 05 Oct 2011 Wed 04:13 am

How could he possibly like the influx of Muslims in Europe? The whole point of having a Roman Catholic Church is to spread the faith...the Roman Catholic version of Christianity. 

Elisabeth, I must say I have been impressed with your posts as of late. 

Quoting Elisabeth

I don´t think it is any secret how the Pope feels and I don´t think it is wrong for Westerners and the leader of one of the worlds leading religions to realize that things are changing and to mourn the perceived loss of Western civilization as we know it or have known it. There are turbulent times ahead as eastern and western cultures converge and change.  There will be sadness, fighting and resistance...but as always human evolution can not be stopped...change is coming.  Some are just not dealing with it as well as others.  

 

 



Edited (10/6/2011) by alameda [typo correction]

4.       bydand
755 posts
 06 Oct 2011 Thu 02:49 pm

The latest thing in Britain to annoy The Vatican is the move in some quarters to drop the christian BC/AD for the non religious BCE/CE for the benefit of non-christians. We would still have the same reference point I presume.

5.       alameda
3499 posts
 06 Oct 2011 Thu 06:45 pm

Ha ha ha....how about using the Jewish, Chinese or some other calendar for a reference point?

BCE/CE does quite well IMHO.....after all it is the currently common reference point. 

Quoting bydand

The latest thing in Britain to annoy The Vatican is the move in some quarters to drop the christian BC/AD for the non religious BCE/CE for the benefit of non-christians. We would still have the same reference point I presume.

 

 

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