I love the way this thread goes starting from what "zero" means.

Here are some more definitions:

• In set theory, 0 is the cardinality of the empty set: if one does not have any apples, then one has 0 apples. In fact, in certain axiomatic developments of mathematics from set theory, 0 is defined to be the empty set. When this is done, the empty set is the Von Neumann cardinal assignment for a set with no elements, which is the empty set. The cardinality function, applied to the empty set, returns the empty set as a value, thereby assigning it 0 elements.

• Also in set theory, 0 is the lowest ordinal number, corresponding to the empty set viewed as a well-ordered set.

• In propositional logic, 0 may be used to denote the truth value false.

• In abstract algebra, 0 is commonly used to denote a zero element, which is a neutral element for addition (if defined on the structure under consideration) and an absorbing element for multiplication (if defined).

--Is,

I quoted your last post.

Sorry no--mel,

I won´t take any steps in the direction you want to put this thread in.

You stated how you see it and so be it!

Ha ha ha ha.......Then there is where are you? What is you? .....