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80.       Abla
3648 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 08:23 am

I admire the expressing power of 3rd sg POSS. Where does it refer actually? To the Platonic world of ideas. I´m not joking.

81.       tunci
7149 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 11:03 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

 

First, I disagree with you on 4, it should be 3. (FB, GS, BJK)  

Second, the answer to this question always is: FB Wink 

 

 

 

 Ustadım, your answer to that question is grammatically correct but in reality wrong As it should be GS  [always]Wink

 

 

82.       scalpel
1472 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 12:53 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 it should be GS  [always]Wink

 

 

I live in Fenerbahçe, Kadıköy. I am graduated from Fenerbahçe Lisesi and I support Fenerbahçe. But I wonder what makes an Ankara man be a fanatic supporter of Galatasaray which is deemed to be the second biggest football club in İstanbul? This explains well why Ankara has never been in the competition.. Meanwhile, is there any İzmir team in Spor Toto Süper Lig? Shame on both cities for they support İstanbul football clubs!Wink

Quote:Henry

Scalpel, sanırım FB´ yi tutuyorsun

 

 

Evet

Quote:Abla

I admire the expressing power of 3rd sg POSS. Where does it refer actually? To the Platonic world of ideas. I´m not joking.

 

It is the power of Turkish Language We should study more on "the expressing power of 3rdPOSS".. maybe its pl is possible also? 

83.       Abla
3648 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 12:56 pm

Quote:scalpel

.. maybe its pl is possible also?

 

 

I don´t think so.

84.       tunci
7149 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 01:13 pm

 

I live in Fenerbahçe, Kadıköy. I am graduated from Fenerbahçe Lisesi and I support Fenerbahçe. But I wonder what makes an Ankara man be a fanatic supporter of Galatasaray which is deemed to be the second biggest football club in İstanbul? This explains well why Ankara has never been in the competition.. Meanwhile, is there any İzmir team in Spor Toto Süper Lig? Shame on both cities for they support İstanbul football clubs!Wink

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Ustad, First of all, Although I am an Ankara man

 1. I was born in İstanbul and I spent my childhood in Istanbul.[up to age of 6 ]

 2. Having supporters from outside of Istanbul makes the team [ Galatasaray ] great.

 3. It shows that the team´s influence is not limited with local supporters, on the contrary it is loved by whole country.

   by the way, Ankara teams [ Ankaragücü and Gençlerbirliği] dont have big budgets as Istanbul teams , but they have great supporters and spirit.

               

85.       scalpel
1472 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 01:36 pm

 

Quoting tunci               

 

Hocam, would you please help us with this

 

Quote:scalpel

.. maybe its pl is possible also?

 

Quote: Abla

I don´t think so.

 

  

Quote:Abla

  Sarısını satın aldım. ‘I bought the yellow (shirt).’

 

I think it should be plural when they are two or more yellow shirts..

Sarılarını aldım - I bought the yellow ones 

86.       Abla
3648 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 02:00 pm

I mean  -  and scalpel knows better  -  sg is primary to pl in this function. Or maybe I should say number is not a very important factor. When it comes to inanimate things they are often referred to in sg, isn´t it? Plural lerlerler looks to me like a form which has been created on the basis of analogy on the desk of language planners (and purists) for the sake of clarity and completing the symmetry of the system.

I am talking about cases where there is a POSS in the noun but there is no actual owner around. If the owner is visible it´s another thing I suppose. These ownerless cases are so interesting.

87.       Abla
3648 posts
 20 Feb 2012 Mon 02:32 pm

Quote:scalpel

Quote:Abla

  Sarısını satın aldım. ‘I bought the yellow (shirt).’

 

I think it should be plural when they are two or more yellow shirts..

Sarılarını aldım - I bought the yellow ones

 

The plural marking can be there for two reasons:

         1. because the owned are many

         2. because the owners are many.

In your sentence the owned are many, aren´t they? That´s why it is necessary to specify that it is more than one. But when we refer to the lacking owner (or the idea of a shirt) I guess number is not important and thus it is sg. I wish I could find a good example...

 



Edited (2/20/2012) by Abla

88.       Abla
3648 posts
 12 Apr 2012 Thu 10:02 am

onların birçoğu OR onlardan birçoğu

çocukların biri OR çocuklardan biri

 

What’s the difference?

89.       tunci
7149 posts
 13 Apr 2012 Fri 01:25 am

 

Quoting Abla

onların birçoğu OR onlardan birçoğu

çocukların biri OR çocuklardan biri

 

What’s the difference?

 

onların birçoğu OR onlardan birçoğu = many of them

çocukların biri OR çocuklardan biri   = one of the kids

There is no difference.

* In  possessive constructions with indefinite pronouns [ birçoğu,biri,pekçoğu...] the head [first part ] can take ablative suffix "dAn"  instead of possessive marking [-In].


onlardan  birçoğu

Head       

Belirtili ad tamlamalarında, tamlanan belgisiz zamirse, tamlayan eki (-in) yerine (-den) eki kullanılabilir:   Çocukların birkaçı yoktu.   =   Çocuklardan, birkaçı yoktu.

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*It applies to double possessive forms too. I mean ;

Çocuklarının biri   Çocuklarından   biri --->One of his/her kids

ının = ından



Edited (4/13/2012) by tunci

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90.       Abla
3648 posts
 13 Apr 2012 Fri 01:35 am

Well, that´s a relief. I thought everyone understands this but I don´t.

 

But...a while ago you corrected me, tunci:

 

Quote:tunci

Onlardan biri içine bakıp diğerine “Bu güzel serin bir yer gibi görünüyor.

 

 

 



Edited (4/13/2012) by Abla

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