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20.       scalpel
1472 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 01:23 pm

 

Quoting si++

Quoting si++

What you have written so far tells who´s who.

 

 

Come on scalpel. This is called in Turkish:

Bir bardak suda fırtına çıkarmak/koparmak.

 

It´s strange that you come with your (false) conclusions just because I removed a personal suffix on wikipedia example.

 

That´s all what you have to say? I was waiting for your evidence that "geldiğini gördü" was a right example to prove that Turkish is a pro-drop language.. It seems you have no evidence.. Next time avoid using wikipedia as it is not a credible source.. use your own examples.. And you know what? I am sick of you accusing people of not having good grammar knowledge when you are a loser.. Ok sir.. You are the best..are you happy now? 

21.       si++
3785 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 01:57 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

That´s all what you have to say? I was waiting for your evidence that "geldiğini gördü" was a right example to prove that Turkish is a pro-drop language.. It seems you have no evidence.. Next time avoid using wikipedia as it is not a credible source.. use your own examples.. And you know what? I am sick of you accusing people of not having good grammar knowledge when you are a loser.. Ok sir.. You are the best..are you happy now? 

 

I was not trying to prove that Turkish is a pro-drop language. It is one without any  proof by me.The wikipedia page provides an example of it. I changed the personal suffix in that example to the 3rd singular person because I was talking about the 3rd singular person.

 

Who should be sick of who? You are the one who jumped into discussion by accusing me not knowing the subject. Well if I say something incorrectly, I can step back and accept any correction. But it´s not the case this time.

 

 

22.       tunci
7149 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 06:42 pm

 

I am sorry guys but I had to involve this silly argument. First ; It´s not nice for learners to witness this sort of arguments that turns into " I know better than you, "You are useless" " "You are nothing " " My English is better than you " , " My turkish grammar knowledge is far better than you " . I too involved this sort of silly arguments..I tried not to , but sometimes when you are provoked than you feel like to involve .  I never claimed that I have deep knowledge in Turkish grammar but we all know something and we learn from eachother.

The moral of story is that lets be polite to eachother and stop using accusing language and never forget that our aim is to teach and spread our nobel language to foreign speakers.

By the way ; We can not say that Turkish is totaly pro-drop language. As in some cases it works  as non-pro-drop language.

 

23.       si++
3785 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 07:44 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

I am sorry guys but I had to involve this silly argument. First ; It´s not nice for learners to witness this sort of arguments that turns into " I know better than you, "You are useless" " "You are nothing " " My English is better than you " , " My turkish grammar knowledge is far better than you " . I too involved this sort of silly arguments..I tried not to , but sometimes when you are provoked than you feel like to involve .  I never claimed that I have deep knowledge in Turkish grammar but we all know something and we learn from eachother.

The moral of story is that lets be polite to eachother and stop using accusing language and never forget that our aim is to teach and spread our nobel language to foreign speakers.

By the way ; We can not say that Turkish is totaly pro-drop language. As in some cases it works  as non-pro-drop language.

 

 

Greetings tunci,

Welcome to this silly discussion. Can you elaborate on your statement of yours that Turkish being non pro-drop language sometimes. That sounds interesting. How can it be a little bit of pro-drop and little bit of not pro-drop?

24.       tunci
7149 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 08:44 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Greetings tunci,

Welcome to this silly discussion. Can you elaborate on your statement of yours that Turkish being non pro-drop language sometimes. That sounds interesting. How can it be a little bit of pro-drop and little bit of not pro-drop?

 

 Greetings Si++,

When I have done some search on Internet, I came across couple of cases that I agree with ;

1. In Jaheoon Choi´s research [University of Arizona], he gave an example ;

    Biz dilbilimciler akıllıyızdır.

    We linguists are smart.

In here both English and Turkish bans pro-drop  here.  

in other words in this case we cant drop "Biz" , if we drop it then the sentence changes into the " Linguists are smart "

what do you think ?

25.       tunci
7149 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 08:56 pm

 

Another case ;

In the example of  Prof.Dr.Balkız Öztürk [Harvard Üniversity] ; In the reply of the question ;

-Kimin evi eski ? --> Whose house is old ?

- Bizim evimiz.

we cant drop "bizim" in the reply sentence for that sort of question .

 

what do you think ?

26.       si++
3785 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 09:02 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 Greetings Si++,

When I have done some search on Internet, I came across couple of cases that I agree with ;

1. In Jaheoon Choi´s research [University of Arizona], he gave an example ;

    Biz dilbilimciler akıllıyızdır.

    We linguists are smart.

In here both English and Turkish bans pro-drop  here.  

in other words in this case we cant drop "Biz" , if we drop it then the sentence changes into the " Linguists are smart "

what do you think ?

That sounds like you start to talk of something. keep on talking. Would you keep repeating "biz dilbilimciler" or give up and start to drop?

Biz dilbilimciler akıllıyızdır. Biz dilbilimciler çok okuruz. Biz dilbilimciler çok çalışırız. Biz dilbilimciler aynı zamanda üretiriz. ...

 

27.       si++
3785 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 09:07 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

Another case ;

In the example of  Prof.Dr.Balkız Öztürk [Harvard Üniversity] ; In the reply of the question ;

-Kimin evi eski ? --> Whose house is old ?

- Bizim evimiz.

we cant drop "bizim" in the reply sentence for that sort of question .

 

what do you think ?

 

Bizim evimiz. [] alalı çok oldu. [] haliyle eskidi tabii. Gene de [] sahip olduğumuza memnunuz.

Insert your pronoun between []

28.       tunci
7149 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 09:28 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

That sounds like you start to talk of something. keep on talking. Would you keep repeating "biz dilbilimciler" or give up and start to drop?

Biz dilbilimciler akıllıyızdır. Biz dilbilimciler çok okuruz. Biz dilbilimciler çok çalışırız. Biz dilbilimciler aynı zamanda üretiriz. ...

 

 

No, I wouldnt keep repeating "Biz" when to start multi-sentence speech. But As a single sentence it is more like " statement of One´s personal view ".  Such as ;

Siz öğretmenler çok fedakarsınız. ---> You - teachers- are very self-sacrificing [people].

  We dont have to make multi-sentenced speech just to sake of dropping the pronoun.

 

 

 

29.       tunci
7149 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 09:34 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

Bizim evimiz. [] alalı çok oldu. [] haliyle eskidi tabii. Gene de [] sahip olduğumuza memnunuz.

Insert your pronoun between []

 

 Likewise, we dont have to make an extensive explanation when to reply to that question. But , yes , we can drop the pronouns if we add the explanatory sentences after the first one.

 

30.       si++
3785 posts
 04 Dec 2011 Sun 09:41 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 Likewise, we dont have to make an extensive explanation when to reply to that question. But , yes , we can drop the pronouns if we add the explanatory sentences after the first one.

 

 

And that´s what a pro-drop language is all about.

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