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1.       si++
3785 posts
 17 Dec 2011 Sat 11:27 am

The words starting with "y" in Anatolian Turkish (AT), start with "j" in Kazak Turkish (KT): yol = jol

The "ç"s in AT are "ş"s in KT: çöl = şöl

 

The "ş"s in AT are "s"s in KT: aş = as

The words starting with "g" (of Turkic origin) in AT, start with "k" in KT: göz = köz

 

The words starting with "d" (of Turkic origin) in AT, start with "t" in KT: dil = til

Monosyllabic words with a front wovel and ending "ğ" in AT, end with "v": dağ = tav, bağ = bav

var-, ver-, var in AT are written with "b". bar-, ber-, bar


"f"s in some Arabic and Persian words are written p/b: fayda-payda, fikir-pikir, fakir-paqır, felaket-bäleket


Those "k"s between two wovels become "g". ekin-egin, evdeki-üydegi

Those "p"s between two wovels become "b".  ipi-jibi, tepmek-tebüv

There are wovels in -lk, -rk combos. kırk-qırıq, Türk-Türik, halk-xalık

The interior "ğ"s becomes "y" in KT. düğme-tüyme, öğren-öyren

Some interior "p"s becomes "b" in KT.  tepe-töbe, ipek-jibek

Some "b"s are "m"s in KT. boyun-moyın, burun-murın, bun-muñ

2.       si++
3785 posts
 17 Dec 2011 Sat 11:34 am

Possessive Suffixes
1st sg.:  -m tilim (dilim) ağaşım (ağacım)

1st pl.: -miz, -mız tilimiz ağaşımız


2nd sg.: til ağaşıñ

2nd pl.: -ñiz, -ñız tiliñiz ağaşıñız


3rd sg.: -(s)i, -(s)ı tili ağaşı

3rd pl.: -(s)i, -(s)ı tili (tilderi) ağaşı (ağaştarı)

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3.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Dec 2011 Sat 01:14 pm

 

Quoting si++

Possessive Suffixes
1st sg.:  -m tilim (dilim) ağaşım (ağacım)

1st pl.: -miz, -mız tilimiz ağaşımız (tilderimiz / agashatrimiz)


2nd sg.: til ağaşıñ

2nd pl.: -ñiz, -ñız tiliñiz ağaşıñız (tilderiniz / agashtariniz)


3rd sg.: -(s)i, -(s)ı tili ağaşı

3rd pl.: -(s)i, -(s)ı tili (tilderi) ağaşı (ağaştarı)

 

 

4.       si++
3785 posts
 17 Dec 2011 Sat 03:35 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

Possessive Suffixes
1st sg.:  -m tilim (dilim) ağaşım (ağacım)

1st pl.: -miz, -mız tilimiz ağaşımız (tilderimiz / agashatrimiz)


2nd sg.: til ağaşıñ

2nd pl.: -ñiz, -ñız tiliñiz ağaşıñız (tilderiniz / agashtariniz)


3rd sg.: -(s)i, -(s)ı tili ağaşı

3rd pl.: -(s)i, -(s)ı tili (tilderi) ağaşı (ağaştarı)

 

 

But how come?

tilderimiz should mean our languages, right?

also, ağaştarınız = your trees, no?

5.       lemon
1374 posts
 17 Dec 2011 Sat 04:19 pm

 

Quoting si++

 

 

But how come?

tilderimiz should mean our languages, right?

also, ağaştarınız = your trees, no?

 

Exactly!!!

 

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6.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 10:49 am

Wovels and Consonants in Kazak Turkish (KT):

 

Wovels: a,ı,o,u (front) ä, e, i, ö, ü (back)

They have "ä" in KT additinaly and the rest the same as Anatolian Turkish (AT), which a little bit wider than "e" and seen in the first syllables

 

Voiced: b, d, g, ğ, j, l, m, n, ñ, r, v, y, z

Voiceless: ç, f, h, x, k, q, p, s, ş, t

 

"q" is used with front wovels and "v" is more like a w or "uv".

 

Info:

Voiced and Voiceless Consonants

One problem that many students face in pronunciation is whether a consonant is voiced or voiceless.

What is Voiced?

A simple explanation of voiced consonants is that they use the voice. This is easy to test by putting your finger on your throat. If you feel a vibration the consonant is voiced. Here is a list of some voiced consonants. Pronounce each consonant sound (not the letter) and feel the vibration of your vocal chords.

b
d
th (as in then)
v
l
r
z
j (as in Jane)

What is Voiceless?

Voiceless consonants do not use the voice. They are percussive and use hard sounds. Once again, you can test if a consonant is voiceless by putting your finger on your throat. You will feel no vibration in your throat, just a short explosion of air as you pronounce. Pronounce each of these consonant sounds and feel NO vibration in your throat.

p
t
k
s
sh
ch
th (as in thing)

7.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 12:20 pm

Wovel harmony in KT

 

Major wovel harmony works perfectly for the words of Turkic origin as in AT:

Minor wovel harmony is similar to AT after a,ı,e,i:

al-ıp, bar-ıp (var-ıp in AT), ber-ip (ver-ip in AT)

 

But it doesn´t work after o,u,ö,ü:

öl-tir (öl-dür in AT), jüzim (üzüm in AT), öz-ine (öz-üne or kendi-sine in AT)

 

Consonant harmony in KT

It´s there and it works similar to AT:

biz-ge (biz-e in AT), tün-de (gece-de in AT)

ağaş-ta (ağaç-ta in AT)

8.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 12:26 pm

Plural suffix


-lar/-ler, -dar/-der or -tar/-ter

 

bala-lar (çocuk-lar in AT = children)

dil-der (dil-ler in AT = languages or tongues)

ağaş-tar (ağaç-lar in AT = trees)

 

-lar/-ler is used after a syllable that ends with a wovel or one of -r -v -y

-dar/-der is used after a syllable that ends with a voiced consonant

-tar/-ter is used after a syllable that ends with a voiceles consonant

9.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 12:58 pm

Infinitive suffixes

 

Instead of -mak/-mek in AT, they are -v, -üv and -uv in KT:

 

jaz-uv (yaz-mak = to write)

al-uv (al-mak = to take)

oqu-v (oku-mak = to read)

je-v (ye-mek = to eat)

öl-üv (öl-mek = to die)

ber-üv (ver-mek = to give)

 

10.       lemon
1374 posts
 18 Dec 2011 Sun 01:40 pm

 

Quoting si++

Infinitive suffixes

 

Instead of -mak/-mek in AT, they are -v, -üv and -uv in KT:

 

jaz-uv (yaz-mak = to write)

al-uv (al-mak = to take)

oqu-v (oku-mak = to read)

je-v (ye-mek = to eat)

öl-üv (öl-mek = to die)

ber-üv (ver-mek = to give)

 

 

How come you know Kazakh Grammar? You copy and paste?

Its not "uv" but "u". so: jazu, alu, oqu, jeu, olu, beru.

We also have this "mek" ending, but has a different meaning. It means "is going to".

So: He was going to eat = Ol tamak jemek edi.

He was going to learn (or read) a lesson = Ol sabak okimak edi.

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