gokuyum, thank you.

A great, fearless, admired man who had his lonely and melancholic side. Very touching in my opinion.

I like the metaphor of eyebrow being a bridge over the tears.

Az önce gördüklerime ınanamıyorum! O.. Ottoman Poetry, Çok güzel Gokuyum,

İtıraf etmelıyız.  "Ottoman 3", Hepimiz izlemek için yanıp tutuşuyoruz.

Size minnettarım: Çok teşekkür ederim. Sağolun arkadaşlar.

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 When the arrow comes out of body

Benim tek hiç kim zar ü perişan olmasın ya Rab
Esir-i derd-i aşk u dağ-i hicran olmasın ya Rab

O God! May nobody cry and be miserable like me.

O God!May nobody be captive of sorrow of love and wound of separation.

Dem-a-dem cevrlerdir çekdiğim bi-rahm bütlerden
Bu kafirler esiri bir müselman olmasın ya Rab

It is the torment that I always suffer from cruel beautiful women

O God! May a muslim not be captive of these infidels

Görüb endişe-i katlimde ol mahı budur derdim
Ki bu endişeden ol meh peşiman olmasın ya Rab

I saw that beautiful (like moon) thinking my death

O God! May she not regret this thought.

Çıharmak itseler tenden çeküb peykanı ol servin
Çıhan olsun dil-i mecruh peykan olmasın ya Rab

If they want to take out the arrow of that beautiful (like cypress)

O God! May it be my wounded heart, not the arrow.

Cefa ü cevr ile mu ´tadım anlarsız n´olur halim
Cefasına had ü cevrine payan olmasın ya Rab

I got used to her cruelty and torment, what would I do without them?

O God! May not be a limit of her cruelty and end of her torment

Demen kim adli yok ya zulmü çok her hal ile olsa
Gönül tahtına andan gayrı sultan olmasın ya Rab

I never say she is not just and she is very cruel whatever happens
O God! May not be another sultan sitting on the throne of my heart other than her

Fuzuli buldu genc-i afiyet mey-hane küncünde
Mübarek mülkdür ol mülk viran olmasın ya Rab

Fuzuli found the treasure of well-being in a tavern

O God! It is such a holly place may it not be a ruin.

                                                                        Fuzuli (1483-1556)

What a wonderful poem! It has a sufi symbolism. Let me explain the symbolism in poem a little bit:

beautiful, beloved : God

wine: love

tavern: dervish lodge

to die: come together with God

torment and cruelty: the way of getting rid of bodily desires.

Although I am not mystical, I liked this poem

Fuzuli was Azeri actually. Is his Turkish different?

Arabs typically compare a beautiful woman´s face to the moon. Is it a usual metaphor in Turkish also?

Quote:Aida Krishan

Although I am not mystical, I liked this poem

I agree with you, Aida Krishan. I am a little bit allergic to Sufism as a matter of fact. gokuyum has a mission here.

His language has Azeri characteristics. But in his time there was no big difference between these two dialects. One of the important sources of Ottoman poetry is sufism. You can witness sufi symbolism in most of the poems. I am really into sufism. But it is not only about me. If you really want to understand Ottoman poetry, you should know sufi symbolism. After I read this poem, I was full of excitement. I saw a wonderful beauty in the poem. And it is one of my characteristics to share beauty with others. So I translated it. Hope you like it.

In Turkish you can refer to a beautiful woman in the same way in Arabic. We share same cultrual ground with them in litrature and etc....

Quite risky...

Do they have the word repentance in their vocabulary, these Bektashis?

Yes it is. But don´t forget there is a symbolism in this poem. Kul Nesimi took his pen name influenced by Seyyid Nesimi( he was skinned alive because of his radical ideas on vahdet-i vücud). This is what I call risk

Here is a scene of Azerbaijanian movie about Seyyid Nesimi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ats2mQVqCNw&feature=related

very interesting