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...olabileceği ileri sürülen
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1.       sufler
358 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 11:59 am

Hello!

I found such a caption under a picture on wikipedia:

Quote:

M.Ö. 10000 yıllarına tarihlenen, uzaylı ziyaretçileri temsilen yapılmış olabileceği ileri sürülen mağara resimleri.

 

"Dated to 10.000 years before Christ, cave painting which alleged to could have been made to represent alien visitors." I have one doubt about this text. Shouldn´t there appear one more -i suffix after olabileceği? Because the first -i is possessive as I suppose - its (the painting´s) "could being". But when theres a direct verb used - ileri sürülen there should be accusative used, right? Like olabileceğini ileri sürülen?

 

#edit

Btw, why is there future participle used if the text actually refers to the past?



Edited (3/11/2012) by sufler

2.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 01:58 pm

ileri sür|ül|mek is passive voice, that´s why the logical object is risen to the position of subject > no accusative ending.

3.       scalpel
1472 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 02:46 pm

 

Quoting sufler

Btw, why is there future participle used if the text actually refers to the past?

 

-mış in yapılmış makes it past:

yapılmış olabileceğ

 



Edited (3/11/2012) by scalpel [passive=>past ]

4.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 04:37 pm

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Edited (3/11/2012) by gokuyum
Edited (3/11/2012) by gokuyum

5.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 04:45 pm

gokuyum, everyone can see he ment "past".

6.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 04:49 pm

 

Quoting Abla

gokuyum, everyone can see he ment "past".

 

I didnt read the quote. And it misled me. But it can  mislead others too. So my warning isnt unnecessary.



Edited (3/11/2012) by gokuyum

7.       scalpel
1472 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 05:41 pm

SORRY.. I just corrected it now.. it´s what happens if you do two things at the same time.. 

 

Eagle-eyed goku

Protective sister abla {#emotions_dlg.ty_ty} 



Edited (3/11/2012) by scalpel

8.       scalpel
1472 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 05:43 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

I didnt read the quote. And it misled me. But it can  mislead others too. So my warning isnt unnecessary.

 

It´s unnecessary now Wink 

Anyway..thanks for warning..

9.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 05:53 pm

Quote:gokuyum

I didnt read the quote. And it misled me. But it can  mislead others too. So my warning isnt unnecessary.

You are right, gokuyum. I was joking. I noticed it myself and was about to post but you were faster. I ment it just looked like a lapsus linguae to me.

10.       scalpel
1472 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 09:26 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 lapsus linguae.

 

sürçü lisan

11.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 09:42 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

It´s unnecessary now Wink 

Anyway..thanks for warning..

 

You are welcome. I deleted my warning. Peace.

12.       scalpel
1472 posts
 11 Mar 2012 Sun 10:01 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 Peace.

 

A gift for you..

"slow train coming"

http://www.mojvideo.com/video-bob-dylan-slow-train-coming/8e5ed8673b29afa29b7a

13.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 12 Mar 2012 Mon 04:56 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

A gift for you..

"slow train coming"

http://www.mojvideo.com/video-bob-dylan-slow-train-coming/8e5ed8673b29afa29b7a

Thank you for your gift. I want to give you a gift too in return. It is Passion Pit from "Sleepyhead". Enjoy it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNCQWkVtiZ0&ob=av3n

 



Edited (3/12/2012) by gokuyum

14.       si++
3785 posts
 13 Mar 2012 Tue 06:11 pm

 

Quoting sufler

Hello!

I found such a caption under a picture on wikipedia:

 

 

"Dated to 10.000 years before Christ, cave painting which alleged to could have been made to represent alien visitors." I have one doubt about this text. Shouldn´t there appear one more -i suffix after olabileceği? Because the first -i is possessive as I suppose - its (the painting´s) "could being". But when theres a direct verb used - ileri sürülen there should be accusative used, right? Like olabileceğini ileri sürülen?

 

#edit

Btw, why is there future participle used if the text actually refers to the past?

 

Good question!

 

I don´t have two cents at hand, but here´s my "beş kuruş":

 

V -il -miş ol-mak = To have been V-pp

 

cave painting which alleged to could have been made to represent alien visitors.

Uzaylı ziyaretçileri temsilen yapılmış olabileceği öne sürülen mağara resmi

 

In Turkish future tense is based on -ecek suffix which actully is used to state an intention, plan or expectation.

 

Yarın işe geç gideceğim = I intend (have a plan) to go to work late tomorrow

Aligiller yarın akşam bize gelecek = We expect Alis to come to us tomorow night

 

So if we analyse your sentence it has some expectation in it that the statement may be the case.

 

Other possibility would be to use -dik (i.e. non-future) participle but that doesn´t sound OK because it would have more certainty compared to -ecek participle.

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