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Upper intermediate - advance plateau - how to keep progressing?
1.       soag
1 posts
 15 Apr 2012 Sun 12:35 pm

 

Hi all,

 

I was hoping to get some advice from people who have progressed to learning Turkish at a high level.. I have been learning for around one, one and a half years now, and have been doing quite well recently. I would place myself at the upper-intermediate level: I understand all tenses and almost all grammar constructions, and have a reasonable vocabular - I can talk quite basically about politics and unemployment, and can read a book for 12 year olds with looking at a dictionary maybe once per page.

 

However the last month I have really felt like I am stuck, at a plateau. I have been mainly teaching myself (one hour per week with a conversation tutor) and I´m not sure how to progress.. It´s very frustrating to be at a this point where I still can´t understand most television shows or movies (for spoken Turkish), and my reading skill is at a point where I am really just adding vocabularly which I am unlikely to encounter again for a long time.

 

How have other people in this position progressed - what worked for you? Watching lots of television, talking in chat rooms, reading literature with a dictionary word-by-word? It´s a very disheartening, and frustrating situation to be in.. i guess i need some motivation from people who have been here before!

 

___

 

Merhaba arkadaslar,

 

Yuksek seviyeye ilerlediklerden bir tavsiyeleri, biraz yardim ariyorum.

Bir, bir bucuk yildan beri Turkce ogreniyorum ve simdiye dek epey iyi, hizli gelisiyordu. Sanirim orta seviyesinin ustindeyim. Her zamanlari anliyorum, neredeyse de grammeri. Kelmie hazinesinim fena degil - siyaset, tarihi ile iktisat konularinda basitce sohbedebiliyorum ve12 yasindakiler icin kitaplari sayfada sadece 1 biz sozluge bakarak okuyabiliyorum. 

 

Ama gecen ay Turkce konusmamin ilerlemesi zorlasti. 

 

Haftada bir saat konusma dersinden disinda kendi kendime ogretiyorum.. nasil ilerlecegimi bilmiyorum.. Bu oldugum nokta cok sinir bozucu. Genellikle televizyon ile filmler anlayamam, ama okurken herseyi anlayabilecegim... okuma sadece yeni tek kelimeleri ogrenmem demek.

 

Bu durumda oldukgu basklar nasil ilerledi acaba? Televizyon izlmeyerek mi, kitap yada gazete sozluklu okuyarak mi, baska bir sekil var mi? Kendim tek bir yer durdugumu hissediyorum.. galiba biraz ilhamim gerekiyor! 

2.       Hallederiz
136 posts
 15 Apr 2012 Sun 01:28 pm

 

Quoting soag

 

Hi all,

 

I was hoping to get some advice from people who have progressed to learning Turkish at a high level.. I have been learning for around one, one and a half years now, and have been doing quite well recently. I would place myself at the upper-intermediate level: I understand all tenses and almost all grammar constructions, and have a reasonable vocabular - I can talk quite basically about politics and unemployment, and can read a book for 12 year olds with looking at a dictionary maybe once per page.

 

However the last month I have really felt like I am stuck, at a plateau. I have been mainly teaching myself (one hour per week with a conversation tutor) and I´m not sure how to progress.. It´s very frustrating to be at a this point where I still can´t understand most television shows or movies (for spoken Turkish), and my reading skill is at a point where I am really just adding vocabularly which I am unlikely to encounter again for a long time.

 

How have other people in this position progressed - what worked for you? Watching lots of television, talking in chat rooms, reading literature with a dictionary word-by-word? It´s a very disheartening, and frustrating situation to be in.. i guess i need some motivation from people who have been here before!

 

___

 

Merhaba arkadaslar,

 

Yuksek seviyeye ilerlediklerden bir tavsiyeleri, biraz yardim ariyorum.

İleri seviyelerde Türkçelerini ilerlenlerden bir kaç tavsiye bekliyorum.

Bir, bir bucuk yildan beri Turkce ogreniyorum ve simdiye dek epey iyi, hizli gelisiyordu. Sanirim orta seviyesinin ustindeyim üstündeyim. Her Tüm zamanlari ve neredeyse de grammeri anliyorum, . Kelmie hazinesinim Kelime haznem fena degil - siyaset, tarihi tarih ile iktisat konularinda basitce sohbedebiliyorum ve12 yasindakiler icin (12 yaşa göre) kitaplari sayfada sadece 1 biz sozluge bakarak okuyabiliyorum. 

 

Ama gecen ay Turkce konusmamin ilerlemesi zorlasti. 

 

Haftada bir saat konusma dersinden disinda kendi kendime ogretiyorum öğreniyorum.. nasil ilerlecegimi bilmiyorum.. Bu oldugum nokta cok sinir bozucu. Genellikle televizyon ile filmler anlayamam filmleri anlayamıyorum, ama okurken herseyi anlayabilecegim anlayabiliyorum... okuma sadece yeni tek kelimeleri ogrenmem demek.

 

Bu durumda oldukgu basklar olanlar nasil ilerledi acaba? Televizyon izlmeyerek izleyerek mi, sözlük yardımı ile kitap yada gazete sozluklu okuyarak mi, baska bir sekil var mi? Kendim tek bir yer durdugumu hissediyorum İçinde olduğum durum çok sinir bozucu ve cesaret kırıcı.. galiba biraz ilhamim gerekiyor! 

 

Your Turkish text is quite good and can be understand easily. There are a few little mistakes. I tried to fix them.

Ana dilim Türkçe ve Türkiyede yaşıyorum. Çok benzer sorunları İngilizce örenirken, bizler de yaşıyoruz. Zaman ve sabır gerekiyor.

Eğer Türkiyede yaşıyorsan zaten kendilinden olacak, takma kafanı, çok da zorlama kendini.

Konuşma dili olarak zaten herşeyi öğrenmen mümkün değil. Ben, anadilim Türkçe olmasına ve Türkiyede yaşamama rağmen laz ve ege şivesinin ancak % 60 lık kısmını anlayabiliyorum.

3.       Sir_Robalot
73 posts
 15 Apr 2012 Sun 02:11 pm

My knowledge is far from yours, but I´m hoping to be as good as you in a year  

 

My tips would be chat rooms, reading newspapers, finding friends who speak Turkish where you can participate. I don´t think you´re in Turkey, but maybe you can visit Turkey for a week now and then? Or is there a "Turkish Club" for Turkish people in your area?  

Spending time at cafés or in the barber shop where lots of people talk all the time will help you (I´m planning to make my barber my teacher )

 

Apart from that, get a Turkish (e-mail) penpal. Maybe someone here would like to learn better English, so that the two of you can just talk about everything from the weather to politics... You correct the other person´s English, and he/she helps you with Turkish, everything you write is written in both English and Turkish. 

 

/Rob

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