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what is that grammar rule please
1.       nifrtity
1806 posts
 15 Sep 2012 Sat 09:47 pm

BAŞLANGIÇ

Why başlamak written in that way

what is that grammar rule?

thanks in advance

2.       Abla
3647 posts
 15 Sep 2012 Sat 09:54 pm

Quote:nifrtity

BAŞLA|N|GIÇ ´beginning´

 

-geç/-giç is a derivation suffix which makes nouns from verbs. Not very common. Similarly, süz|mek ´to filter´ > süz|geç ´filter, strainer´ (the utensil).

3.       nifrtity
1806 posts
 15 Sep 2012 Sat 09:56 pm

 

Quoting Abla

Quote:nifrtity

BAŞLA|N|GIÇ ´beginning´

 

-geç/-giç is a derivation suffix which makes nouns from verbs. Not very common. Similarly, süz|mek ´to filter´ > süz|geç ´filter, strainer´ (the utensil).

Thanks Abla

 

4.       Hend Yehya
38 posts
 16 Sep 2012 Sun 12:23 am

 

Quoting Abla

Quote:nifrtity

BAŞLA|N|GIÇ ´beginning´

 

-geç/-giç is a derivation suffix which makes nouns from verbs. Not very common. Similarly, süz|mek ´to filter´ > süz|geç ´filter, strainer´ (the utensil).

 

Abla, so it is the same as what Tunci has just explained to me that:

 

using (-me) with the verb stem changes it into noun as in his example "görme = seeing"

Is that right?

 

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5.       Carlenson
28 posts
 16 Sep 2012 Sun 12:29 am

in the past people used to use bidáyet for başlangıç.

 

Nihayet bidayette yerleştirilmiştir

6.       Abla
3647 posts
 16 Sep 2012 Sun 12:34 am

No no no. Grammar is one thing and word derivation is another.

 

tunci explained to you how every verb can be changed into a noun when the syntax of the sentence demands it. The rule is generally applicable. This is grammar.

 

When a derivation suffix -giç is added into (a small group of) verbs usually names of an instrument or an agent  -  i.e. new words  -  are produced. You cannot apply the rule for any verb, and the resulted meaning is not always predictable. Only the part of speech is. This is derivation.

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7.       Hend Yehya
38 posts
 16 Sep 2012 Sun 12:57 am

 

Quoting Abla

No no no. Grammar is one thing and word derivation is another.

 

tunci explained to you how every verb can be changed into a noun when the syntax of the sentence demands it. The rule is generally applicable. This is grammar.

 

When a derivation suffix -giç is added into (a small group of) verbs usually names of an instrument or an agent  -  i.e. new words  -  are produced. You cannot apply the rule for any verb, and the resulted meaning is not always predictable. Only the part of speech is. This is derivation.

 

Ahhhh... ok Abla i get the difference now, thanks for being always here

 

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