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PROBLEMS WİTH SYRIA
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1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Oct 2012 Thu 12:02 pm

89 years ago, in an interview given to American newsman Isaac Morcosson, Atatürk was recorded to say,

"Uprisings and riots in these artificial states formed in Middle East after the WW I, in near future, are unavoidable.

Unless the leaders of our young republic side up with these people when trouble starts and not share & follow the devious ways of the imperialistic powers, fate of Turkia will not be any different from those of her neighbors."

Believe it or not !  {#emotions_dlg.computer}

 

 

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2.       Abla
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 04 Oct 2012 Thu 01:06 pm

89 years is not exactly near future.

3.       AlphaF
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 04 Oct 2012 Thu 04:49 pm

 

Quoting Abla

89 years is not exactly near future.

 

89 years ago from today; troubles started around 1990 with US luring Iraq to move into Kuwait. That was about 67 years after the interview.

Does  "67 years" qualify as near future, in the context of world history ?

4.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Oct 2012 Thu 05:04 pm

Quote:AlphaF

Does  "67 years" qualify as near future, in the context of world history ?

 

No. Who could have seen in the stars even ten years earlier that the USSR was going to collapse? Changes are rapid and often surprising.

 

My point is why do you have to quote someone from 89 years ago in order to prove how he was able to see behind the corner? Most certainly there are as good and more adequate analyses of the Near East situation from more recent thinkers. Even from the Turkish point of view.

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Oct 2012 Thu 05:35 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

No. Who could have seen in the stars even ten years earlier that the USSR was going to collapse? Changes are rapid and often surprising.

 

My point is why do you have to quote someone from 89 years ago in order to prove how he was able to see behind the corner? Most certainly there are as good and more adequate analyses of the Near East situation from more recent thinkers. Even from the Turkish point of view.

I bet there were many people who knew approximately when USSR would collapse, about 10 years before she actually collapsed.

Say hello to Mr. Gorbachov, pls ! He should have informed you too....{#emotions_dlg.computer}

 

6.       Abla
3648 posts
 04 Oct 2012 Thu 05:42 pm

You are mixing history and geology, AlphaF. In history 89 years is a very long time.

 

Mikhail Gorbachev only said they should never have allowed it to happen. It is hindsight.

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 04 Oct 2012 Thu 06:25 pm

 

Quoting Abla

You are mixing history and geology, AlphaF. In history 89 years is a very long time.

 

Mikhail Gorbachev only said they should never have allowed it to happen. It is hindsight.

 

1. just what is the % of 89 years to known history ?

2. Gorbachov....I always thought he organized the collapse himself...

8.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 05 Oct 2012 Fri 05:26 am

everybody guess something, some happens some not.

sultans, presidents, prime ministers even dictators guess, too. Guessing is their job actually to prevent loss and damage.

sultan abdulhamid guesssed WW1, ataturk guessed, WW2, someone guessed the collapse of USSR. and today someone else guessing the collapse of USA!

It is not hard to guess something. If something is not based on justice, if someone always suffering the current stuation, you can absolutely guess it will change sooner or later.

Look at china, in order to produce the cheapest products in the world, one billion people suffering in poverty. They (the governing part) seem succesful today if we ignore the one billion people! Will it continue a 100 years, i dont think so...

about syria, there is absolutelly something wrong about it. but the question is, are we in the right side. i dont think so. syria will change, must change but i do not trust the allias trying to change it, i do not want to be a part of this dirty game with bad boys (usa, nato, ...)

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9.       AlphaF
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 05 Oct 2012 Fri 09:27 am

Who do you think has organized the shelling of Turkia from Syrian side of the border, if anyone ?

1. Essad

2. PKK

3. KGB Agents

4. SAVAK Agents

5. CIA Agents

6. tunci



Edited (10/5/2012) by AlphaF
Edited (10/5/2012) by AlphaF

10.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 05 Oct 2012 Fri 11:50 am

 

Quoting ikicihan

everybody guess something, some happens some not.

 

 

 

If and when that something does happen, it is no longer called a "guess"; It is called "vision".

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