Okay, no more arguments. America is an evil empire. It is the root of all of Turkey´s problems. Even if the Cold War and, hopefully, the era of Turkish coups are past. And even if the men who made the policies of those years are long gone. ... If blaming America makes you feel better, AlphaF, that is your choice. I myself prefer optimism and self-determination.

AlphaF is not the only person who blames America nowadays. Americans as individuals are generally nice, but unaware. US Governments - evil indeed !

Try blowing a friendly kiss to Al Kaida today.....if you are a sound optimist !

America is not different than other empires. Having so much power corrupt them. Isn´t America "New Rome" now?

Oh, I swore I would not enter this discussion again, but you are so provoking, dostlar!

One, al-Qaeda is not what it once was. So, perhaps there is room for optimism when it comes to defeating violent extremism.

Two, yes, great empires wane and fall. America is already waning in some respects -- China and others are rising. But as you point out, this is nothing new, as the Ottomans themselves would tell us, yes? (Perhaps being an empire is not the best thing, anyway! The British and the Italians have adjusted nicely.)

Enough arguing! Let´s all just be happy that Mr. Obama will lead the U.S. for another four years. At least there will be room for some understanding between peoples! 

Enough arguing! Let´s all just be happy that Mr. Obama will lead the U.S. for another four years. At least there will be room for some understanding between peoples!

Mr.Obama won, supported by a coalition of minority groups - much to the disappointment of WASP upper class.

Obama supporting minority groups are,

- Black Americans (12%)

- Mexicans and other Latinos (10%)

- Homesexuals (5%)

- Radical Socialists (10%)

- People in need of social support (20%)

- Women and/or young people supporting one or more of above groups, for one reason or another (20%)

The above distribution, after duplications are eliminated. guarantees more than 50% of the votes.

Looks like a socialist wind is in the air now and the wind is here to stay. Anglo-Saxon supremacy in US will be "out" for a long time to come. America will definitely change.

I feel Americans made the right choice !

AlphaF, do we agree on something?! Maybe, almost!

As a WASP (although I cannot claim to be in the upper classes), I am very happy that Mr. Obama won. And there are very many other white Americans who would agree.

America is changing, always changing. That is our genius (if I may be so bold)!

As for socialism, it has a long history here, although many Americans do not recognize it. What was Franklin Roosevelt but a socialist? He gave us a social safety net that helped pull us out of the Depression. Lyndon Johnson took us farther down that path. Now, we just have to make the far right understand that "socialism" is not a dirty word!

"AlphaF, do we agree on something?! Maybe, almost!

As a WASP (although I cannot claim to be in the upper classes), I am very happy that Mr. Obama won. And there are very many other white Americans who would agree.

America is changing, always changing. That is our genius (if I may be so bold)!

As for socialism, it has a long history here, although many Americans do not recognize it. What was Franklin Roosevelt but a socialist? He gave us a social safety net that helped pull us out of the Depression. Lyndon Johnson took us farther down that path. Now, we just have to make the far right understand that "socialism" is not a dirty word!"

TRİP

Well done, trip.good opinion and good approach. 

US ELECTIONS

Below are (some of the) views of a Moslem, American, economist (name witheld) regarding Mr. Obama and late elections.....for anyone who may be interested.

Fortunately, he is not bold enough to believe US is a nattion of genui (geniuses ?) too.

e, that was a big win. After the debacle of the first debate, I
started thinking that the US electorate is uninformed enough to elect
the flip flopper Romney. He reminded me of Keynes classical portrayal
of Loyd George in the Versaiile conference "a man of large head of
dubious content, with sqinty eyes and readiness to change his opinions
depending on who faces him"
The Republican party got its vote from white men above forty five and
religious fundamentalists who are fit to join the Salafis of  Islam.
It is a party that does not believe in science (no global warming,
deficits are contractionary and austerity is expansionary) and
churlish Maggoism: the economy will grow and be fine if Government cut
its spending  and decrease its taxes on the rich and raise defense
expenditure.
Thank heavens, the Supreme court will not get another Thomas or
Eilotto. We will not also have to deal with young Paul Ryan returning
to the scene Von Mises economics with fervor and straight face born by
supreme ignorance.
Obama might now continue the great things he did not mention in the
campaign; clean and green energy, rehabilitation of our
infrastructure, changing our grid and broad band networks,
reestablishing manufactures, reestablishing US leadership in science
and technology and educating our children in this vast nation where an
intellectual is called an egghead.,
Well, It is good news America. Will the confirmed President do
anything about the Palestinians and save the world and the Jews from
the crepto fascist duo Netanyahu- lieberman? And will he do something
about this crazy Bashar Assad who is destroying his country and
killing his people so that he stays in power?

AlphaF, I think your economist is a very insightful man. I agree with his take on the election.

But I did not say that America is a nation of geniuses! Far from it! We are like any nation, full of all kinds of people. The genius of America is that all these people, from all walks of life, have a chance to express their opinions, no matter where they fall on the political spectrum. And more than express their opinions, they can cast a vote.

The America of today is very different from the America of even 1980. Women, African Americans, Hispanics and Asians are much more prominent today. They are uniting to have a bigger say at the polls. That is what is changing America. America may change slowly, but it is not static. That is where the genius lies.

Democracy is always a developing project.

IS IT TRUE?  

Edited (4/11/2013) by og2009

Whatever happened to J.F.K ?