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10.       Abla
3648 posts
 14 Nov 2012 Wed 07:45 am

Quote:tunci

Umarım [ki] yanlış bir karar vermedik.

I hope [that] we did not make a wrong decision.

 

These ki constructions sound very beautiful to my ear because they break the usual array of words and change the rhythm of speech.

11.       tunci
7149 posts
 14 Nov 2012 Wed 09:38 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

These ki constructions sound very beautiful to my ear because they break the usual array of words and change the rhythm of speech.

 

May be it is because it is easier construction for learners who know English , as it is close to the English way.

I guess that..

I hope that...

I think that...

I suppose that..

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12.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Nov 2012 Wed 10:10 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

I was trying to understand the difference between gelecektim and gelecek oldum. It must be that gelecektim has a wider (more grammatical) meaning according to the context. It is the usual verb form in the apodosis following an if clause for instance...

 

"gelecektim" reports a planned (perhaps pre-scheduled) action that ended up in a non-event.

"gelecek oldum" reports an intention to act on the spur of the moment, which ended up in a non-event.

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13.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Nov 2012 Wed 10:10 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

I was trying to understand the difference between gelecektim and gelecek oldum. It must be that gelecektim has a wider (more grammatical) meaning according to the context. It is the usual verb form in the apodosis following an if clause for instance...

 

 



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14.       tunci
7149 posts
 14 Nov 2012 Wed 10:25 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

"gelecektim" reports a planned (perhaps pre-scheduled) action that ended up in a non-event.

"gelecek oldum" reports an intention to act on the spur of the moment, which ended up in a non-event.

 

Good explanation.

15.       tunci
7149 posts
 14 Nov 2012 Wed 12:23 pm

 

 

 

Subordinate clauses that is in qualificative  [descriptive] form.


This form of caluses are built to qualify two perceptional verbs [ Görmek and Bulmak ]

 

Ben Onu üzülmüş [üzüldü] gördüm.

Subject  + Subordinate clause that qualifying the main clause+ Main Verb

I saw him upset. or  I found him upset. [literally ; I saw him that he got upset]

 

How did I saw him ? I saw him upset.

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O beni pazarda elma satıyor görmüş.

He saw me selling apples in the market.

 

Here, the clause emphasizes the qualification  "[HOW]

How did he see me ? He saw me selling apples in the market.

[In what state I was in when he saw me ? ]

 

WHEREAS ;

 

O beni , [ben] pazarda elma satarken görmüş.

He saw me while I was selling the apples in the market.

Here, the clause emphasises more like the time of the action "his seeing me" [WHEN]

When did he saw me ? He saw me while [when] I was selling apples in the market.

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Bu sabah köpeğimi kapıda uyuyor [uyur] buldum.

This morning I found my dog sleeping at the door.

 

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16.       Abla
3648 posts
 14 Nov 2012 Wed 03:29 pm

Quote:AlphaF

"gelecektim" reports a planned (perhaps pre-scheduled) action that ended up in a non-event.

"gelecek oldum" reports an intention to act on the spur of the moment, which ended up in a non-event.

 

Thanks, AlphaF, you sound like a book of modal logics (this is a compliment).

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17.       tunci
7149 posts
 15 Nov 2012 Thu 12:48 am

 

Different Functions of the word " Hiç"

 

1. Comparasion Function

   a. Preference in comparasion

 

      Hiç değilse Ayşe ödevlerini yapıyor. Diğerleri gibi değil.

      At least Ayşe is doing her homeworks. Unlike others.

      Here, Ayşe is being compared with others.

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       Hiç yoktan iyidir.

       Better than nothing.

       Here, Something we have that we think we haven´t got enough of it. But we still prefer having it than having nothing.

 

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    b. Requesting in comparasion

 

        Hiç değilse annene bir mektup yaz.

        At least , write a letter to your mother.

        Here, the speaker is requesting the other person to write a letter to his mother. The speaker thinks it is better for him sending a letter than doing nothing.

 

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       Hiç olmazsa kahvaltı yap.

       Have breakfast at least.

Here, the speaker is requesting the other person to have breakfast. The speaker thinks it is better for him having breakfast than having nothing.

 

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   c. Certainty in comparison

 

       Hastalık değil, fakirlik hiç değil , asıl sensizlik bana koyar.

       What really devastates me is not having illnesses or certainly not being poor but being without you.  

 

       Here, the speaker is comparing illnesses and being poor with being without his loved one. And he thinks the most devastating thing for him is ´being without his loved one´.

        And he is putting them in order,

        not having ilnesses

        and certainly not having pains

        but being without his loved one.

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2. Rejection

Hiç de bile - Hiç de değil

 

 a. Bana karşı hala duyguların var.

 b. Hayır. Hiç de bile.

 

 a. You still have feelings for me.

 b. No. Not at all.

 

Here person b declining [rejecting, disagreeing] what a says.

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   a. Onu özlüyorsun sanırım.

   b.  Hayır. Hiç de değil.

 

   a. You are missing him.

   b. No. Not at all.

 

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3. ´ Ever ´

 

     Türkiye´de yaşadın mı hiç ?

    
     Have you ever lived in Turkey ?

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     Aşık oldun mu  hiç ?

     Have you ever fall in love ?

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4.  "Never "

     Oraya hiç gitmedim.

     I never went there.

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     Dün gece  hiç uyumadım.

     I never had sleep last night.

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5.   Makes Negative statement into Pozitive .

     In some cases, it turns the negative form into pozitive.

     

     a. Düğüne geliyor musun ?

     b. Hiç gelmez miyim ?

 

     a. Are you coming to the wedding

     b. Would I not come ? [  How can I not come ? !]
          Of course I am coming !

 

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6. Carelessness

 

      a. Ne yapıyorsun şimdi ?

       b. Hiç !

 

      a. What are you doing now ?

      b. Just nothing !

     Here, person b is answering carelessly to the question of person a.

 

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7. Causelessness

     From nothing, out of nothing.

 

     Hiç yoktan birbirinizi üzdünüz.

     You upset eachother out of nothing.

 

     Here, nothing caused you to upset eachother. You both upset eachother out of nothing. Out of unimportant, small thing.

 

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18.       tunci
7149 posts
 21 Nov 2012 Wed 09:40 pm

 

ELLIPTICAL  SENTENCES [ UNCOMPLETED SENTENCES]


These type of sentences are incomplete sentences which are lacking predicate. Elliptical sentences are grammatically incomplete but can be easily understood from the context of the sentence. The ellipsis mark is three dots (...) to indicate that the rest of the words have been omitted or left out.

 

" Küçük bir masa ve onun yanında gri  eski bir koltuk... Onun tam karşısında çok hoş bir resim... "

" [ There is ] a small table  and [ there is] an old gray armchair next to it ... And right opposite to it there is a lovely painting... "

 

Here, the verb [ to be] is left out, because of the logic of the entire sentence it is easy to guess what the missing word could be.

" In the sentence "var" [there is] or "vardı" [ there was]   is the missing part.

 

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* The noun sentence that lacks copulative verb marking "dIr" is counted as elliptical sentence too.


Ankara modern bir kent.[tir] ---> Ankara is a modern city.

If there is no "dir" we can continue the sentence such as ;

Ankara modern bir kent olmalı. ----> Ankara must be a modern city.

Ankara modern bir kent kent gibi duruyor. ----> Ankara looks like a modern city.

 

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*  When the predicate of the first sentence is not mentioned in the multiple sentence form that are joined with comma, the first sentence is counted as elliptical sentence.

 

Pazarları önce yemek, ardından sohbet edilir.

On Sundays, the meal [is eaten ] first after that [people] having a talk.

 

In the first sentence above, before the comma, we can put the verb "yenilir" [to be eaten] to complete it , therefore the first sentence is incomplete [elliptical].

So, missing part is "yenilir"

Pazarları önce yemek yenilir, ardından sohbet edilir.

 

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* Most of the time in our daily speech, we use elliptic sentences. For instance , in a dialog like this ;

 

A. Seni kim aradı ? 

B.  Teyzem.     [ Elliptical sentence ] -->  we understand it as " Teyzem aradı "

A.  Saat kaçta ?

B.  Üç buçukta.  [ Elliptical sentence ] ---> we understand it as  "Üç buçukta aradı."

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19.       si++
3785 posts
 22 Nov 2012 Thu 10:55 am

 

Quoting tunci

 

ELLIPTICAL  SENTENCES [ UNCOMPLETED SENTENCES]


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* Most of the time in our daily speech, we use elliptic sentences. For instance , in a dialog like this ;

 

A. Seni kim aradı ? 

B.  Teyzem.     [ Elliptical sentence ] -->  we understand it as " Teyzem aradı "

A.  Saat kaçta ?

B.  Üç buçukta.  [ Elliptical sentence ] ---> we understand it as  "Üç buçukta aradı."

 

I am not sure if this is widespread usage but I personally further drop the case suffixes as well.

 

For example I would say in the above example:

A.  Saat kaçta ?

B.  Üç buçuk

 

- Nereye gidiyorsun?

- İzmir (instead of İzmir´e)

 

- Kimi gördün?

- Elif (instead of Elif´i)

 

-Nerelisin?

-İzmir (instead of İzmir´li)

 

- Şu an neredesin?

- Okulun kütüphanesi (instead of okulun kütüphanesinde)

20.       tunci
7149 posts
 24 Nov 2012 Sat 09:53 pm

 

 

 

Some adverbs that are formed out of nouns by taking "A"

 

When some words especially [some] time expressions take the suffix  "a", they are altered into adverbs and refers the coming [forthcoming] [morning, afternoon, night, week,month, year, summer, winter ].

 

Sabaha görüşmek üzere......>  See you in the morning [in the coming morning].

 

Haftaya Fatma´nın düğünü var.....>  Fatma has wedding next week. [the coming week]

 

Seneye seni görmek istiyorum  ---> I want to see you next year. [The coming year]

 

It can be used to refer "for" [için]

 

Akşama hazır ol. ---> Get ready for the evening. [for tonight]

 

Sabaha bir şey yapmamı istiyor musun ? ---> Do you want me to do anything for the morning ?

 

It can be used with other words [adjectives and nouns] as well ;


Bu kitabı bedavaya aldım. ---> I got this book for free.

Bu kitabı beleşe aldım  ----> [Slang] I got this book for free.

Haybeye geçti zaman ---- Time passed doing nothing. [ Time wasted]

Hayrına bu işi yap.  ---- Do this job for the sake of goodness.

                                 Do this job not expecting a reward in return.

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