Welcome
Login:   Pass:     Register - Forgot Password - Resend Activation

Turkish Class Forums / Language

Language

Add reply to this discussion
MİŞ or MİŞTİ
(13 Messages in 2 pages - View all)
1 [2]
10.       tunci
7149 posts
 17 Dec 2012 Mon 10:12 pm

 

I call that form as Narrative perfective tense. In Turkish -mIştı  marking is used for actions that are completed in the past. By using - mIştı , we are ;

1. narrating the past action to someone

2. I witnessed or I myself  performed that action.

3. The action occurred in the definite past *

 

As in your example; 

Ben size söz vermiştim. ---> I had promised you.

 

1. I am reminding you, narrating you the event [my promising you].

 

2. I remember and i witnessed the action that it has been performed by me.

 

3. It occurred in the past and it occurred in a definite time in the past.

 

==============================================

 

The only distinctive difference between simple past tense [size söz verdim] and [size söz vermiştim] is ,  we are narrating the past event that we witnessed.

 

==============================================

3. 3. The action occurred in the definite past *

 

Although this form technically should indicate the indefinite past because of tense narrowing at present time it is used for definite past.

 According to Prof.Hamza Zülfikar ;

The definite perfective past    -dıydı    is replaced by  indefinite perfective past - mıştı 

söz verdiydim ---------------------------------> söz vermiştim

                           tense narrowed into

 

- as a result , at present time, we use -mişti form for definite perfective past time.

The nearest tense in English is  plu-perfect tense [had]

 

 



Edited (12/17/2012) by tunci

Moha-ios, nemanjasrb and Donkeyoaty liked this message
11.       Abla
3648 posts
 18 Dec 2012 Tue 10:46 am

Now I understand why Turks sometimes use English past perfect structure in a strange way. They imitate this narrative!

 

Second language speakers often try to reorganize the language they are learning.

 

I wonder what would be the exact English translation for Ben size söz vermiştim, including the connotations tunci described. Maybe they would be expressed with intonation.

nemanjasrb liked this message
12.       Henry
2604 posts
 18 Dec 2012 Tue 11:54 am

 

Quoting Abla

I wonder what would be the exact English translation for Ben size söz vermiştim, including the connotations tunci described . Maybe they would be expressed with intonation.

 

Yes, I would stress the ´had´ part of the sentence in English

I had promised you, ....... and I will try to keep my promise.

(I am aware I made a promise to you in the past)

nemanjasrb liked this message
13.       nemanjasrb
507 posts
 21 Dec 2012 Fri 09:11 pm

I finally read this. I didn´t have enough time..Sağ ol tunci,çooooooook. Anlıyorum şimdi.



Edited (12/21/2012) by nemanjasrb

gokuyum liked this message
(13 Messages in 2 pages - View all)
1 [2]
Add reply to this discussion




Turkish Dictionary
Turkish Chat
Open mini chat
New in Forums
Why yer gördüm but yeri geziyorum
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, makes perfect sense!
Etmeyi vs etmek
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Görülmez vs görünmiyor
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, very well explained!
Içeri and içeriye
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Present continous tense
HaydiDeer: Got it, thank you!
Hic vs herhangi, degil vs yok
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much!
Rize Artvin Airport Transfer - Rize Tours
rizetours: Dear Guest; In order to make your Black Sea trip more enjoyable, our c...
What does \"kabul ettiğini\" mean?
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much for the detailed ...
Kimse vs biri (anyone)
HaydiDeer: Thank you!
Random Pictures of Turkey
Most liked