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Turkish Genocide
1.       elifce
33 posts
 24 Jan 2013 Thu 10:40 pm

I wonder why most christians still don`t recognize the Turkish genocide the christian Armenians committed.

As an expert on Armenians, I expect roxanatv to enlighten us.

 

And I assume she enjoys what`s on these videos,

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hli0v2aZIAY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3r_GvdY07w

2.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Jan 2013 Mon 05:07 am

It is tragic that man´s inhumanity to the creation appears to be boundless. It is not unique to any race or ethnicity, it is something that appears to be deep in our cells. 

 

We can be the the lowest of the low or higher than angels....we choose. Don´t be led astray to blind hate  for any group of people. 



Edited (1/29/2013) by alameda

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3.       elifce
33 posts
 28 Jan 2013 Mon 11:27 am

 

Quoting alameda

It is tragic that man´s inhumanity to the creation appears to be boundless. It is not unique to any race or ethnicity, it is something that appears to be deep in our cells. 

 

We can be the the lowest of the low or higher than angels....we choose. Don´t be led astray to hate blindly any group of people. 

 

So as you are from America, could you tell us why christians don´t recognize the Turkish genocide by christian Armenians?

4.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Jan 2013 Tue 03:29 am

 

I don´t know that it is a Christian thing as much as a matter of who has been promotng their point of view (agenda). 

There is a large Armenian diaspora population in the USA who have been here for around 100 years, they are well organized and very vocal regarding the issue.  They rarely miss an opportunity to expound on the subject, always portraying themselves as innocent victims of savage barbaric blood crazed xenophobic Turks. who tried to erase them from the world just because they are Christians.  

Most Americans know little about history, and they don´t seem to care.  They fail to consider the fact that the time period was WWI, the time of the Bolshevic Revolution, the first major world flu epidemic (which killed at least 40, million persons world wide. 

They have never heard of Tashnak or Hunchak parties that were dedicated to terrorism as an official polity, starting in 1887.

It is only recently Turkey really started countering the acusations, however,  a lot of ground needs to be make up. It is only recently Turkey started countering the acusations, however,  a lot of ground needs to be make up. Unfortunately,  in the USA, one is expected  to mount an energetic denial, the one who speaks the loudest gets believed. 

Most Americans have never read the Hunchak official program 

III. The Hunchakian program advocated revolution as the only means of reaching the immediate objective. The arena of revolutionary activity was designed as Turkish Armenia. The Party believed that the existing social organisation in Turkish Armenia could be changed by violence against the Turkish government and described the following methods. Propaganda, Agitation, Terror, Organisation, and Peasant and Worker Activities.

The reason they don´t seem to care, and are ignorant of history is because they are working day and night just to survive, which leaves little time for either self examination, and certainly no time to delve through historic documents to understand why things have evolved as they have. 

People in many other countries think the USA is rich and Americans have easy lives. That´s just not true. It´s an illusion, a fantasy for most here. 

 

I dQuoting elifce

So as you are from America, could you tell us why christians don´t recognize the Turkish genocide by christian Armenians?

 

 



Edited (1/29/2013) by alameda [add]

5.       elifce
33 posts
 30 Jan 2013 Wed 10:56 am

 

Quoting alameda

 

I don´t know that it is a Christian thing as much as a matter of who has been promotng their point of view (agenda). 

 

 

 

 

Is that why all the countries that recognize the so called armenian genocide are christian? Just a coincidence? There is not an armenian diaspora in most of the christian countries that recognize it. How many Armenians are there in Poland or Argentina?



Edited (1/30/2013) by elifce

6.       alameda
3499 posts
 30 Jan 2013 Wed 08:40 pm

 

You have an interesting point. I would say it´s more a matter of political "Christianity", than any real spiritual/religious sentiment. It was, and still is a matter of war strategy to forment discontent and revolt among different groups, in this case, the Ottoman Empire. Of course, "Christian" groups were certainly seen as an exploitable factor. 

The reality of the situation is IMHO, war, any war, is genocide, thus any group that engages in war has no right to call another genocidal. In any event, to punish a country retroactively, even before there was a Genocide Convention, is absurd. You shouldn´t use today´s standards to judge yesterday´s actions. 

Certainly, the slave trade, which involved many countries, was genocidal as were many actions taken by various empires, but nothing is said. I don´t think any former empire has a right to speak, or accuse others, given the historic records of empires with the native peoples, none are without genocidal actions towards the indiginous peoples. 

If you look at the dates of the various countries official recognition of the charge, it´s even more obvious, it´s a political strategy. 



Quoting elifce

 

 

Is that why all the countries that recognize the so called armenian genocide are christian? Just a coincidence? There is not an armenian diaspora in most of the christian countries that recognize it. How many Armenians are there in Poland or Argentina?

 

 



Edited (1/31/2013) by alameda [grammar]

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