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YENİ ANAYASA
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1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 05:31 pm

Yeni anayasa konusunda aşağıdaki görüşler, ciddi bir hukukçuya ait. Ilk bakışta makul görünüyor.

Bu söylem konusunda görüşleri olan var mı ?

1. Bu meclis dört yıl için yasama yetkisi almıştır.
2. Meclis üyeleri mevcut anayasaya sadakat yemini etmiştir.
3. 1. ve 2. Maddede belirtilen nedenlerle bu meclisin bir yeni anayasa yapma
yetkisi yoktur.
4. Yeni bir anayasa yapma şartları oluşturmak için,
a. Evvela halkın yeni bir anayasa isteyip istemediği referanduma sunulur.
b. Nitelikli çoğunlıkla kabul edildiği takdirde barajsız bir seçimle bir
kurucu meclis oluşturulur.
c. Bu kurucu meclisin hazırlayacağı yeni anayasa taslağı yeniden referanduma

sunulur.

2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 06:05 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

Yeni anayasa konusunda aşağıdaki görüşler, ciddi bir hukukçuya ait. Ilk bakışta makul görünüyor.

Bu söylem konusunda görüşleri olan var mı ?

1. Bu meclis dört yıl için yasama yetkisi almıştır.
2. Meclis üyeleri mevcut anayasaya sadakat yemini etmiştir.
3. 1. ve 2. Maddede belirtilen nedenlerle bu meclisin bir yeni anayasa yapma
yetkisi yoktur.
4. Yeni bir anayasa yapma şartları oluşturmak için,
a. Evvela halkın yeni bir anayasa isteyip istemediği referanduma sunulur.
b. Nitelikli çoğunlıkla kabul edildiği takdirde barajsız bir seçimle bir
kurucu meclis oluşturulur.
c. Bu kurucu meclisin hazırlayacağı yeni anayasa taslağı yeniden referanduma

sunulur.

 

Opinion of an  army boot licker!!

According to them, people of Turkey are  ignorant/stupid so that only the army can make  the constitution!! 

Peh.. !!!

3.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 06:21 pm

Come to think of it !

Item 1 and 2 of the statement are real enough.  Besides, why should the citizens of Turkia be kept away from actively participating in making of the new constitution ? We trust the citizens, no?

Let us be sincere....It seems like a better approach than getting it done through citizens´ representatives (parliament), members of  which have been elected by laws  inherited from the military (hence criticized as undemocratic by many).

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 07:53 pm

Nothing to think of.

People  are being represented in this parliment.  I think around 90% of the voters are represented in the parliment. All parties promised to make a new a constitution. The first priority is to prove that Turkish people "actually can make a constitution without the army"!!

When you think of it, apart from the first one, almost all the constitutions were made by the military..

That is embaressing!! We have to prove to the world that we have advanced. If you dont care about the world but care about the nationalism, think of Ataturk and his wish that he wanted to see Turkey as a developed, modern society. "People of Turkey is making a constitution" fits to his wishes..  

5.       melissa_oz
30 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 09:47 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Nothing to think of.

People  are being represented in this parliment.  I think around 90% of the voters are represented in the parliment. All parties promised to make a new a constitution. The first priority is to prove that Turkish people "actually can make a constitution without the army"!!

When you think of it, apart from the first one, almost all the constitutions were made by the military..

That is embaressing!! We have to prove to the world that we have advanced. If you dont care about the world but care about the nationalism, think of Ataturk and his wish that he wanted to see Turkey as a developed, modern society. "People of Turkey is making a constitution" fits to his wishes..  

 

To be able to say"People of Turkey is making a constitution"  we need more participation of people. 

The participation of  citizens  in making a new constitution is not only by  electing representatives that will prepare  it or voting in referendum for constitution , but there are also other ways as well that people should participate directly in the process which are ; 

Before the process starts, people should be educated on the constitution and increase the awareness among people. This can be done through internet, radio, tv channels, cartoons, conferences, seminars etc. So that people will comprehend   the new constitution draft. 

Before and after the process, people should enable to express their views , suggestions, criticisms on the constitution through civil society organisations . After a democratic process, the constitution should be resulted with an agreement of all group of people in society.  Compromising is a vital for creating an ideal constitution. Another important thing is transparency. In every stage of this process, the public must be informed and open discussions should be carried out.  So, we´ll see how this process be carried out and our first "democratic constitution" will emerge. Let´s hope for the best. 

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6.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 10:26 pm

I could write a great constitution if you allowed me



Edited (2/19/2013) by gokuyum

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 11:05 pm

 

Quoting melissa_oz

 

 

To be able to say"People of Turkey is making a constitution"  we need more participation of people. 

 

The participation of  citizens  in making a new constitution is not only by  electing representatives that will prepare  it or voting in referendum for constitution , but there are also other ways as well that people should participate directly in the process which are ; 

Before the process starts, people should be educated on the constitution and increase the awareness among people. This can be done through internet, radio, tv channels, cartoons, conferences, seminars etc. So that people will comprehend   the new constitution draft. 

Before and after the process, people should enable to express their views , suggestions, criticisms on the constitution through civil society organisations . After a democratic process, the constitution should be resulted with an agreement of all group of people in society.  Compromising is a vital for creating an ideal constitution. Another important thing is transparency. In every stage of this process, the public must be informed and open discussions should be carried out.  So, we´ll see how this process be carried out and our first "democratic constitution" will emerge. Let´s hope for the best. 

 

 

Well I am sure you are aware that  all parties pledged to change the constitution. I am sure you are aware that almost all NGOs have been consulted and the talk and recommendations to the new constitution been going on for more than 2 years. 4 parties have been working on the new constitution since the opening of this parliment.  I completely agree with the democratic process but Turkey is doing this for the first time.  We have been living with the strange, backwards, fascist, primitive constitutions for a long time. We are also not writing a new Kuran. If necessary it can be changed.

But for today, we need it desperately. Otherwise we wont be able to keep the integrity of Turkey.

I think the problem is beyond what we are talking here. The problem is the old ruling elite is panicking and does not trust the people´s opinion because they think people of Turkey is backwards people who are easily led by religious crooks. When we hear these recommendations such as ´educating people first´, what really means is that ´people of Turkey is so uneducated and because of that, let the so called modernists/kemalist/the army ruling elite do the job´.. 

 

 

8.       melissa_oz
30 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 11:28 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

. When we hear these recommendations such as ´educating people first´, what really means is that ´people of Turkey is so uneducated and because of that, let the so called modernists/kemalist/the army ruling elite do the job´.. 

 

 

 

I said "educating people on constitution" [ constitutional principals and values] There is no need to infer my words to support your theory.

 

9.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 19 Feb 2013 Tue 11:48 pm

 Just a reminder...

3. The official language of all forums is English with the following exceptions and details: 3.1. The language ´Teaching Turkish´ forum is Turkish only.

3.2. ´Language´ and ´Turkish Translation´ forums can have Turkish texts according the nature of these boards.

 

 

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10.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 04:11 am

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 Just a reminder...

3. The official language of all forums is English with the following exceptions and details: 3.1. The language ´Teaching Turkish´ forum is Turkish only.

3.2. ´Language´ and ´Turkish Translation´ forums can have Turkish texts according the nature of these boards.

 

 

 

Elisabeth why dont you participate in making the new Turkish constitution?

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