Yeni anayasa konusunda aşağıdaki görüşler, ciddi bir hukukçuya ait. Ilk bakışta makul görünüyor.

Bu söylem konusunda görüşleri olan var mı ?

1. Bu meclis dört yıl için yasama yetkisi almıştır.

2. Meclis üyeleri mevcut anayasaya sadakat yemini etmiştir.

3. 1. ve 2. Maddede belirtilen nedenlerle bu meclisin bir yeni anayasa yapma

yetkisi yoktur.

4. Yeni bir anayasa yapma şartları oluşturmak için,

a. Evvela halkın yeni bir anayasa isteyip istemediği referanduma sunulur.

b. Nitelikli çoğunlıkla kabul edildiği takdirde barajsız bir seçimle bir

kurucu meclis oluşturulur.

c. Bu kurucu meclisin hazırlayacağı yeni anayasa taslağı yeniden referanduma

sunulur.

Opinion of an  army boot licker!!

According to them, people of Turkey are  ignorant/stupid so that only the army can make  the constitution!! 

Peh.. !!!

Come to think of it !

Item 1 and 2 of the statement are real enough.  Besides, why should the citizens of Turkia be kept away from actively participating in making of the new constitution ? We trust the citizens, no?

Let us be sincere....It seems like a better approach than getting it done through citizens´ representatives (parliament), members of  which have been elected by laws  inherited from the military (hence criticized as undemocratic by many).

Nothing to think of.

People  are being represented in this parliment.  I think around 90% of the voters are represented in the parliment. All parties promised to make a new a constitution. The first priority is to prove that Turkish people "actually can make a constitution without the army"!!

When you think of it, apart from the first one, almost all the constitutions were made by the military..

That is embaressing!! We have to prove to the world that we have advanced. If you dont care about the world but care about the nationalism, think of Ataturk and his wish that he wanted to see Turkey as a developed, modern society. "People of Turkey is making a constitution" fits to his wishes..  

To be able to say"People of Turkey is making a constitution"  we need more participation of people. 

The participation of  citizens  in making a new constitution is not only by  electing representatives that will prepare  it or voting in referendum for constitution , but there are also other ways as well that people should participate directly in the process which are ; 

Before the process starts, people should be educated on the constitution and increase the awareness among people. This can be done through internet, radio, tv channels, cartoons, conferences, seminars etc. So that people will comprehend   the new constitution draft. 

Before and after the process, people should enable to express their views , suggestions, criticisms on the constitution through civil society organisations . After a democratic process, the constitution should be resulted with an agreement of all group of people in society.  Compromising is a vital for creating an ideal constitution. Another important thing is transparency. In every stage of this process, the public must be informed and open discussions should be carried out.  So, we´ll see how this process be carried out and our first "democratic constitution" will emerge. Let´s hope for the best. 

I could write a great constitution if you allowed me

Well I am sure you are aware that  all parties pledged to change the constitution. I am sure you are aware that almost all NGOs have been consulted and the talk and recommendations to the new constitution been going on for more than 2 years. 4 parties have been working on the new constitution since the opening of this parliment.  I completely agree with the democratic process but Turkey is doing this for the first time.  We have been living with the strange, backwards, fascist, primitive constitutions for a long time. We are also not writing a new Kuran. If necessary it can be changed.

But for today, we need it desperately. Otherwise we wont be able to keep the integrity of Turkey.

I think the problem is beyond what we are talking here. The problem is the old ruling elite is panicking and does not trust the people´s opinion because they think people of Turkey is backwards people who are easily led by religious crooks. When we hear these recommendations such as ´educating people first´, what really means is that ´people of Turkey is so uneducated and because of that, let the so called modernists/kemalist/the army ruling elite do the job´.. 

I said "educating people on constitution" [ constitutional principals and values] There is no need to infer my words to support your theory.

 Just a reminder...

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Elisabeth why dont you participate in making the new Turkish constitution?

You are too lazy Elisabeth. Why dont you try to understand what we typed on the top, instead of remind the rules to us ? 

When I asked people to think, I did not mean to offend you. I forgot your handicap !

You can alvays talk in your old hate cliches. No problem !

To be able to say"People of Turkey is making a constitution"  we need more participation of people.

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Correct. Especially with  this parliament.

Remember that the current parliament refrained from revising,

a) laws related to political structuring of parties in Turkia,

b) laws regulating national elections,

both of which are inherited from the last military coup. Many citizens believe that these two laws make it impossible to elect democratic parliments that would truly represent this nation and vote for her true interests. Parliament had 10 years to change and improve these laws: they all talked about this change in antique clisches, but did not move a finger...possibly because they actually like it this way.

In the current parliament, 47% of the total election votes have secured  over 60% of the available seats (correct me, if I am wrong). Who can say the remaining 53% is fairly represented in the house of representatives ?

As an administrator, it is my job to remind people of the rules.  My understanding is not your concern.   

Where have you been whilst the people who was talking Kurdish, German and Arabic ? I was in here, but i couldnt see you...

 Since you ask, I am only one person.  If you have problems or see problems, please let me know (send me a PM).  I can only address what I see or what is brought to my attention.  I don´t get paid to do this and do the best I can.  I don´t think its very nice that you think it´s OK to call me lazy and don´t really offer much help...just complaints.  Anyway, I am here to help and I try to remind people of the rules as nicely as I can and usually get treated with hostility in return...so THANKS!! 

 I have no interest in a new constitution...especially a new Turkish one.  I can´t even get people to acknowledge simple rules...never mind an entire way of life!  If there is nothing that I have learned in the years being married to a Turk and in having 3 children (yes, I have fulfilled my quota), it is best to leave the discussion of Turkish politics to the Turks.  I used to be quite fond of discussing it...but have since learned my lesson. 

I think you are missing the point..

Look at the parties and the votes from 2011:

akp 49.9 %

chp 25.9 %

mhp 12.9 %

bdp 6.58 %

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Total =95%

95% of the voters are being represented in the parliment.

if you believe the parliments should make the laws as opposed to the military, it is time everybody to show it.  

It is best if this "so called modernist ruling elite"  shows some respect to masses and stops trying to change the rules  as they go along.

All they are trying to say that ´this parliment can not make the laws/can not change the constituion/ because they are not as modern as us´. A few months ago Orhan Pamuk said that ´Turkish bourgeois hates Turkish citizens´. "Trying to create excuses why a non military constitution should not be done" is in Orhan Pamuk´s words.   

Those percentages you listed are the results we get, when we conduct elections in compliance with crazy military laws from 1980.  49 % of the votes for 70% of the seats in the parliment.

We have been stalled for 10 years, and this parliament did nothing to give this nation fair election laws. Why should our citizens trust this parliament who who still operates according to coup laws. They keep talking against military influences. but do not bring those laws to democratic basis.though they have full political power. Perhaps they like it the way they are.

Ones who lick the army boots are those who try to keep political power, by clinging to 1980 laws.

I never miss any points..Watch it so you dont miss your periods !