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10.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 04:11 am

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 Just a reminder...

3. The official language of all forums is English with the following exceptions and details: 3.1. The language ´Teaching Turkish´ forum is Turkish only.

3.2. ´Language´ and ´Turkish Translation´ forums can have Turkish texts according the nature of these boards.

 

 

 

Elisabeth why dont you participate in making the new Turkish constitution?

11.       harp00n
3993 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 08:33 am

You are too lazy Elisabeth. Why dont you try to understand what we typed on the top, instead of remind the rules to us ? {#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

12.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 09:18 am

When I asked people to think, I did not mean to offend you. I forgot your handicap !

You can alvays talk in your old hate cliches. No problem !

Quoting thehandsom

Nothing to think of.                                                                         

13.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 09:50 am

To be able to say"People of Turkey is making a constitution"  we need more participation of people.

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Correct. Especially with  this parliament.

Remember that the current parliament refrained from revising,

a) laws related to political structuring of parties in Turkia,

b) laws regulating national elections,

both of which are inherited from the last military coup. Many citizens believe that these two laws make it impossible to elect democratic parliments that would truly represent this nation and vote for her true interests. Parliament had 10 years to change and improve these laws: they all talked about this change in antique clisches, but did not move a finger...possibly because they actually like it this way.

 

In the current parliament, 47% of the total election votes have secured  over 60% of the available seats (correct me, if I am wrong). Who can say the remaining 53% is fairly represented in the house of representatives ?




Edited (2/20/2013) by AlphaF

14.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 01:22 pm

 

Quoting harp00n

You are too lazy Elisabeth. Why dont you try to understand what we typed on the top, instead of remind the rules to us ? {#emotions_dlg.super_cool}

 

As an administrator, it is my job to remind people of the rules.  My understanding is not your concern.   

15.       harp00n
3993 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 02:49 pm

 

Quoting Elisabeth

 

 

As an administrator, it is my job to remind people of the rules.  My understanding is not your concern.   

 

Where have you been whilst the people who was talking Kurdish, German and Arabic ? I was in here, but i couldnt see you...

16.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 03:58 pm

 

Quoting harp00n

 

 

Where have you been whilst the people who was talking Kurdish, German and Arabic ? I was in here, but i couldnt see you...

 

 Since you ask, I am only one person.  If you have problems or see problems, please let me know (send me a PM).  I can only address what I see or what is brought to my attention.  I don´t get paid to do this and do the best I can.  I don´t think its very nice that you think it´s OK to call me lazy and don´t really offer much help...just complaints.  Anyway, I am here to help and I try to remind people of the rules as nicely as I can and usually get treated with hostility in return...so THANKS!! 

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17.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 04:09 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

Elisabeth why dont you participate in making the new Turkish constitution?

 

 I have no interest in a new constitution...especially a new Turkish one.  I can´t even get people to acknowledge simple rules...never mind an entire way of life!  If there is nothing that I have learned in the years being married to a Turk and in having 3 children (yes, I have fulfilled my quota), it is best to leave the discussion of Turkish politics to the Turks.  I used to be quite fond of discussing it...but have since learned my lesson. 

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18.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 04:26 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

To be able to say"People of Turkey is making a constitution"  we need more participation of people.

-------------------

Correct. Especially with  this parliament.

Remember that the current parliament refrained from revising,

a) laws related to political structuring of parties in Turkia,

b) laws regulating national elections,

both of which are inherited from the last military coup. Many citizens believe that these two laws make it impossible to elect democratic parliments that would truly represent this nation and vote for her true interests. Parliament had 10 years to change and improve these laws: they all talked about this change in antique clisches, but did not move a finger...possibly because they actually like it this way.

 

In the current parliament, 47% of the total election votes have secured  over 60% of the available seats (correct me, if I am wrong). Who can say the remaining 53% is fairly represented in the house of representatives ?


 

I think you are missing the point..

Look at the parties and the votes from 2011:

akp 49.9 %

chp 25.9 %

mhp 12.9 %

bdp 6.58 %

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Total =95%

95% of the voters are being represented in the parliment.

if you believe the parliments should make the laws as opposed to the military, it is time everybody to show it.  

It is best if this "so called modernist ruling elite"  shows some respect to masses and stops trying to change the rules  as they go along.

All they are trying to say that ´this parliment can not make the laws/can not change the constituion/ because they are not as modern as us´. A few months ago Orhan Pamuk said that ´Turkish bourgeois hates Turkish citizens´. "Trying to create excuses why a non military constitution should not be done" is in Orhan Pamuk´s words.   

 

 

 

 

19.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 20 Feb 2013 Wed 05:50 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think you are missing the point..

Look at the parties and the votes from 2011:

akp 49.9 %

chp 25.9 %

mhp 12.9 %

bdp 6.58 %

-------------------

Total =95%

95% of the voters are being represented in the parliment.

if you believe the parliments should make the laws as opposed to the military, it is time everybody to show it.  

It is best if this "so called modernist ruling elite"  shows some respect to masses and stops trying to change the rules  as they go along.

All they are trying to say that ´this parliment can not make the laws/can not change the constituion/ because they are not as modern as us´. A few months ago Orhan Pamuk said that ´Turkish bourgeois hates Turkish citizens´. "Trying to create excuses why a non military constitution should not be done" is in Orhan Pamuk´s words.   

 

 

 

 

Those percentages you listed are the results we get, when we conduct elections in compliance with crazy military laws from 1980.  49 % of the votes for 70% of the seats in the parliment.

We have been stalled for 10 years, and this parliament did nothing to give this nation fair election laws. Why should our citizens trust this parliament who who still operates according to coup laws. They keep talking against military influences. but do not bring those laws to democratic basis.though they have full political power. Perhaps they like it the way they are.

Ones who lick the army boots are those who try to keep political power, by clinging to 1980 laws.

I never miss any points..Watch it so you dont miss your periods !



Edited (2/20/2013) by AlphaF

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