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ETHNIC DISCRIMINATION
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27 Feb 2013 Wed 05:23 pm |
Most of you are probably familiar with little anectodes that start like " An American, a Brit and a Turk were travelling in the same boat........" and end up with some funny punch line to give readers a smile.
Well, I must warn you that such anectodes are no longer constitutional and they are strıctly forbidden.
The reason is that while a guy from Amerca can freely be called an "American" and reference to someone from Britain as a "Brit" is perfectly acceptable - calling someone from Turkia a "Turk" shall henceforth be considered as ethnic discrimination, and will not be allowed under the new constitution (currently being designed).
BELIEVE IT OR NOT !
Edited (2/27/2013) by AlphaF
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27 Feb 2013 Wed 10:44 pm |
Are you serious? What should they be called then?
Most of you are probably familiar with little anectodes that start like " An American, a Brit and a Turk were travelling in the same boat........" and end up with some funny punch line to give readers a smile.
Well, I must warn you that such anectodes are no longer constitutional and they are strıctly forbidden.
The reason is that while a guy from Amerca can freely be called an "American" and reference to someone from Britain as a "Brit" is perfectly acceptable - calling someone from Turkia a "Turk" shall henceforth be considered as ethnic discrimination, and will not be allowed under the new constitution (currently being designed).
BELIEVE IT OR NOT !
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27 Feb 2013 Wed 10:55 pm |
I was wondering the same thing...How can you mandate what people identify themselves as?
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27 Feb 2013 Wed 11:14 pm |
well being called a Turk is better than being called yankee doodle or frog, I don´t see anything discriminating about it
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27 Feb 2013 Wed 11:32 pm |
A citizen of Turkey would seem to be appropriatly called a Turk....I would think. People from France are called French, Canada are called Canadian, Ireland are called Irish....and so on.
So, what is it now?
well being called a Turk is better than being called yankee doodle or frog, I don´t see anything discriminating about it
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27 Feb 2013 Wed 11:38 pm |
He he.
Some people of my country feel like as if we are heading in to an abyss..
Year after year, forcing people to call themselves Turks, without realizing the fact that we have been violating almost every single human rights on earth as far as the asimilation of the other ethnic origins within our borders and leaving almost 70.000 dead behind, rulers of Turkey has decided to find a solution.
They are not banning people calling themselves anything. All they are trying to do is trying to remove the articles relating to ethnic identity in the constitution. There are some articles like ´Every citizen of Turkey is a Turk´. Some people believe that they are not Turk. You can not force them with the law about what they are going to call themselves. All they are trying to do is finding a solution which will be suitable for a modern country like Turkey.
Some people are really getting worried that what they are going to call themselves if our ethnicity is not mentioned in the new constitution!! ..
I guess, these ´woried people´ think that they will wake up one morning and start wondering ´what was I? was I a Turk or a Greek or an American?´ and then they will blame the new constitution !!
Edited (2/27/2013) by thehandsom
Edited (2/28/2013) by thehandsom
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28 Feb 2013 Thu 12:01 am |
Canadians are also called Canucks, Amercians - Yanks or Yankees, one from soutern Ireland is called a Pikey...
And if you look closely in the list of nicknames below, now where is Turkey mentionned, so it seems that Turk to say a person from Turkey is not a nickname.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_nicknames
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28 Feb 2013 Thu 09:17 am |
I was wondering the same thing...How can you mandate what people identify themselves as?
There is no mandate....Turkish passports are not mandatory.
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28 Feb 2013 Thu 05:01 pm |
Edited (2/28/2013) by stumpy
[got mixed up]
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28 Feb 2013 Thu 06:37 pm |
efi70 go read the Constitution of Greece which calls all ethnic groups (Turks, Albanians, Bulgarians) Greek !
thehandsom, go do the same thing "research" before making ignorant comments
elisabeth, you do not have to go do that but perhaps delete this post or lock the thread
Part II
Individual and Social Rights
Article 4 [Citizenship and Equality]
(1) All Greeks are equal before the law.
(2) Greek men and Greek women have equal rights and obligations.
(3) Greek citizens are those who possess the qualifications specified by the law. No one shall be deprived of his citizenship save in the case of persons assuming on their own free will another citizenship or joining a service in another country which is contrary to the national interests, in accordance with the conditions and procedure laid down by the law in detail.
(4) Only Greek citizens shall be eligible for public service save in those cases where exceptions are introduced by specific legislation.
(5) Greek citizens shall, without discrimination, contribute towards sharing the burden of public expenditure according to their ability.
(6) Every Greek able to bear arms shall be obliged to assist in the defence of the nation, as provided by law.
(7) Titles of nobility or distinction shall neither be conferred upon, nor recognized in Greek citizens.
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28 Feb 2013 Thu 07:54 pm |
(6) Every Greek able to bear arms shall be obliged to assist in the defence of the nation, as provided by law.
oh be carefull, if you are born in another country and both your parents were born in Greece, make sure you do not stay more than 6 months if you go visit your parent´s country because, even if you are not born in Greece, since your parents are Greeks you will be forced to do your military service
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01 Mar 2013 Fri 03:44 am |
He he.
Some people of my country feel like as if we are heading in to an abyss..
Year after year, forcing people to call themselves Turks, without realizing the fact that we have been violating almost every single human rights on earth as far as the asimilation of the other ethnic origins within our borders and leaving almost 70.000 dead behind, rulers of Turkey has decided to find a solution.
They are not banning people calling themselves anything. All they are trying to do is trying to remove the articles relating to ethnic identity in the constitution. There are some articles like ´Every citizen of Turkey is a Turk´. Some people believe that they are not Turk. You can not force them with the law about what they are going to call themselves. All they are trying to do is finding a solution which will be suitable for a modern country like Turkey.
Some people are really getting worried that what they are going to call themselves if our ethnicity is not mentioned in the new constitution!! ..
I guess, these ´woried people´ think that they will wake up one morning and start wondering ´what was I? was I a Turk or a Greek or an American?´ and then they will blame the new constitution !!
What r u talking about?? Can you explain the background of this conversation? Is there a new constitution in the making in TR?
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02 Mar 2013 Sat 12:53 am |
What r u talking about?? Can you explain the background of this conversation? Is there a new constitution in the making in TR?
Yes.
There is a new constitution in the making.
The background of all these are :
-The last election, almost all parties promised to make a new constitution (as everybody agrees that the current one is from the army coup era- though many articles have changed)
-The last election results were AKP:%49.9, CHP %25.9 MHP %12.9, BDP %7
- 4 parties set up a committee (anayasa uzlasma komisyonu), constitution settlement committee in November 2011. (each party gave 3 MPs into this committee)
-Though not that fast and successful, the committee is still working on it.
-The PM gave a deadline for completion of the new constitution and the time will expire soon.
-If this committee can not agree on this new constitution, which seems a quite likely scenario, ruling party will put his ideas into new const. and if it can find the enough vote, it will take the country for a referendum. And possibly the ruling party will push this constitution through this path and will suceed.
- There is a catch here, because Erdogan who is running his 3rd term and in his last term, does want to stay in politics. He can go and become the president. But presidency is not that powerful in Turkey by the constitution. Erdogan wants to switch to USA style presidency in the constitution and the become the first president with full powers!! The current president´s time ends in 2014. And the new president will be elected directly by the people (previously, the presidents have been elected in the parliament)
- So this year is very important for Turkey. As far as Erdogan is concerned, he wants a new constitution with powerful presidential system. In order to get the support, he is sidelining himself with the Kurds. Since the new year he started to negotiate with Apo (the terrorist leader of PKK) directly. He says that he wants to finish Kurdish problem. Apo, as his counter part, says that he does not want Kurds to split Turkey but live in peace in a democratic country. Part of this- or all of these wishes - requires a constitution which will let everybody feel included and bind themselves as citizens to the state. Not to a national state, more correctly to a state where everybody considered as Turks by the constitution. Because 15-20 millions don´t think themselves as Turks.
-Basically, I think the agreement about the citizenship in the new constitution will be like the first constitution of Turkey (in 1921 the definition of citizenship was slightly different). I think they are planning "a loose definition of citizenship" in which no ethnicity will be mentioned. (Personally I can not see anything wrong with that.)
Of course from the cry, you would think that ´people wont be able to call themselves Turks anymore or it will be banned´!!!! It is just that they are planning to remove the article which says ´anybody which is bound to the state of Turkey is a Turk´.
ps..There is one thing for sure : The politics in Turkey is not boring and very dynamic
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02 Mar 2013 Sat 04:08 am |
Interesting!! Thank you for the explanation.
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