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10.       vona
150 posts
 07 Apr 2013 Sun 10:54 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

Actually using "u,ü,yu,yü" instead of "ı,i,yı,yi" is not a correct grammatical usage.

 

By the way let me give you a few example with "yı,yi":

 

ulemâ-yı İslamiye: 

şuarâ-yı Osmaniyye

ma´na-yı şiir

asâ-yı Musa

terazû-yı adelet

 

No example with yi but still okay

As I said earlier, I am not an expert on such stuff but it so seems to me that it either should be i with hypen or yi without hypen.

For example:

ulemâ-i islamiye or ulemâyi islamiye

I think y in the middle is this buffer letter and should be used after removing the hypen.

And I think ı and forms of the affix are from the vowel harmony.

11.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 08 Apr 2013 Mon 05:36 am

 

Quoting vona

 

 

No example with yi but still okay

As I said earlier, I am not an expert on such stuff but it so seems to me that it either should be i with hypen or yi without hypen.

For example:

ulemâ-i islamiye or ulemâyi islamiye

I think y in the middle is this buffer letter and should be used after removing the hypen.

And I think ı and forms of the affix are from the vowel harmony.

 

In my book (Hayati Develioğlu - Osmanlı Türkçesi Kılavuzu 1) it says if a word ends with â or û you put -yı,-yi. And there is still a hypen. And about -yi there is no example in the book. So I think maybe sometimes it can be used instead of -yı.

12.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 08 Apr 2013 Mon 05:46 am

By the way u and ü means "ve(and)" in Ottoman Turkish. 

 

Examples:

 

say u gayret

şan u şöhret

ilm ü marifet



Edited (4/8/2013) by gokuyum

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