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People of Turkish descent integrated in Europe
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1.       si++
3785 posts
 11 Apr 2013 Thu 04:50 pm

Nearly 70 percent of Turkish people in 11 European countries see the countries they live in as their permanent home, according to a recent study conducted by a Turkish university.

People of Turkish origin who migrated to countries in western Europe since the beginning of the 1960s, that is the first generation of migrants, have become “an integral part of Europe,” concluded the survey, conducted by Hacettepe University Migration and Politics Research Center (HÜGO) in March 2013.

The survey analyzed a sample of 2634 persons over the age of 14, in countries where 100,000 or more people of Turkish origin were residing. This list included nine EU countries (Germany, France, the Netherlands, England, Belgium and Austria, Denmark, Sweden, and Finland) as well as Switzerland and Norway.

The population of Turkish origin living in Europe did not encounter any problems in their integration to the country they lived in, according to at least 82.5 percent of respondents, the survey said.

The primary indicator of this was the duration of residence, 91 percent of the population of Turkish origin, who still reside in Europe, were either born there or had been living there for more than 11 years, the survey found.

Another indicator of the residence was “citizenship.” Half of the population of Turkish origin living in Europe, that is 2.5 million, are today citizens of the country in which they reside, meaning that a majority have become EU citizens, according to the study. “Approximately half of this population also maintains their citizenship of the Republic of Turkey. In this sense, trans-national migrant identity is clearly seen.”

 

You may read the whole article: here

2.       Abla
3648 posts
 11 Apr 2013 Thu 06:58 pm

Good news and also another proof of Europe´s general success in the fields of human rights and economy. Europe is still an attractive destination.

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 06:19 am

It is also my feeling that this is likely the case, which also goes against what some people say about Turkish people being discriminated in Europe.

4.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 08:56 am

The new generation "fire proof" Turks will fit in perfectly !

5.       vona
150 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 09:29 am

 

Quoting catwoman

It is also my feeling that this is likely the case, which also goes against what some people say about Turkish people being discriminated in Europe.

 

It is your optimistic feeling, reality says otherwise. 

 



Edited (4/12/2013) by vona

6.       si++
3785 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 02:22 pm

For those who may be interested:

Turks in Europe

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 02:30 pm

I think there are a few common misconceptions about this issue.

One of them is importance of Turkey for EU. In Turkey, because of the politicians we have been told that "Turks are great; we,Turks, scared them, Europeans, in history; they are always biased against the Turks; we live in one of the most important  place on earth so they have eyes on our land etc;". This is partially  understandable, considering what happened 100 years ago and the nation-state building process, but it is not the reailty. One of my friends who is studying his post doctorate here told me a few weeks ago that he is amazed how Turkey is very little mentioned in political talks in EU. He thought that Turkey has been playing a major role in EU politics. Actually, Turkey is not that important as much as we Turks normally think for EU.   

 

The other one is the racism against the Turks in EU. Yes there is a degree of racism in EU but not specifically against the Turks. Discrimination against a black person is more common comparing to Turks or any other ethnic minorities. But there is no specific racism or discrimination against Turks. Of course there might be some regional differences -ie a condensed population of an ethnic grup can be subjected to discrimination with their names.. calling ´pakis´ of pakistani origins in Birmingham for example.- The degree of racism and discrimination is hugely differing the racism you see in developing countries as well. (Kurdish politicians kept saying that "give the same rights Turks in EU have to us in Turkey, there would not be a problem" for example).**

 

The other subject is to mention that most of these Turks in EU, which is the biggest etchnic minority, are either economic or political refugees. Mainly economic of course. We are getting more integrated and more self confident about our rights and what we can do in EU countries. I think the days of Turks only known as kebap selling people is kind of gone. We are in Europe as ourselves. We are paying our taxes and trying to be good citizens. That is why the other day I was trying to say that instead of being a glorious Turk who conquered the world or sunnis or alevies or Kurds or Armenians, just trying to be a good citizens might be enough for a peaceful country to live in.

 

 

**As an example of the degree of racism, the other day I read a story about a teacher in Turkey. A kurdish origin teacher after working as a teacher in the east and west part of Turkey and even becoming a headmaster, retired and bought a small land in a small viallage in  Ayvalik. The first week, the men of the village said that they wanted to visit the family. The retired teacher thought there would be a kind of welcome thing. He even prepared some snacks for the guests.. But he was told that they did not want him in the village and they wanted to buy his land with the same price. Poor guy, he thought it is not worth trying in his retirement and sold his land and bought somewhere different. 

8.       Abla
3648 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 02:51 pm

Quote: thehandsom

One of them is importance of Turkey for EU. In Turkey, because of the politicians we have been told that "Turks are great; we,Turks, scared them, Europeans, in history; they are always biased against the Turks; we live in one of the most important  place on earth so they have eyes on our land etc;". This is partially  understandable, considering what happened 100 years ago and the nation-state building process, but it is not the reailty. One of my friends who is studying his post doctorate here told me a few weeks ago that he is amazed how Turkey is very little mentioned in political talks in EU. He thought that Turkey has been playing a major role in EU politics. Actually, Turkey is not that important as much as we Turks normally think for EU. Many see the EU membership of Turkey as a great chance for Europe. A chance that could be lost. You are right it is not the mainstream of thought but more like a special interest of politicians like Finnish foreign ministers Erkki Tuomioja and Alexander Stubb who have brought up this issue for years now.

 

The other one is the racism against the Turks in EU. Yes there is a degree of racism in EU but not specifically against the Turks. Discrimination against a black person is more common comparing to Turks or any other ethnic minorities. But there is no specific racism or discrimination against Turks. Of course there might be some regional differences -ie a condensed population of an ethnic grup can be subjected to discrimination with their names.. calling ´pakis´ of pakistani origins in Birmingham for example.- The degree of racism and discrimination is hugely differing the racism you see in developing countries as well. (Kurdish politicians kept saying that "give the same rights Turks in EU have to us in Turkey, there would not be a problem" for example).** The most dangerous type of racism is not calling names in the streets but discrimination which has settled in the structures of our societies. Turks often like to see complots even in places where there are none but many people say the difference between the treatment Turkey gets from EU and the treatment Greece gets is kind of worrying and there is good reason to believe the reason for that is deep in the European attitudes separating people into "us" and "them".

 



Edited (4/12/2013) by Abla

9.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 03:21 pm

The most dangerous type of racism is not calling names in the streets but discrimination which has settled in the structures of our societies. Turks often like to see complots even in places where there are none but many people say the difference between the treatment Turkey gets from EU and the treatment Greece gets is kind of worrying and there is good reason to believe the reason for that is deep in the European attitudes separating people into "us" and "them".

 

Have you not noticed that friendly messages, wishes of cooperation in Aegean Sea, mention of good old days are floating around in Turkish-Greek relations, since Greeks realized that EU had taken Greece for a ride ?

This should not surprise anyone who knows the history of relations between these two countries.

The general rule is whenever Greece feels rich or powerfull enough and they arey are sure that at least 7 Europen states plus USA and Israel will back them up, they run to strain the bilateral relations; the relations are relaxed and friendship flows however. when Turkia holds the upper hand.

I wonder if we can help our neighbour put his economics in order, without risking the prevailing peace ? ( No money in Greece, no more dog fights between combat jets in Aegean skies)



Edited (4/12/2013) by AlphaF
Edited (4/12/2013) by AlphaF

10.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 12 Apr 2013 Fri 03:30 pm

Instead of dog fight now thanks to you we do mouth fight

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