Merhaba! Here is a very interesting article from the Washington Post about scientists believing they have found a "proto-Eurasiatic" language that links Altaic, Indo-European and other major language groups. This is based on a set of two dozen "ultraconserved words" that they believe have survived 150 centuries across these groups. I knew Turkish seemed somehow familiar!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/linguists-identify-15000-year-old-ultraconserved-words/2013/05/06/a02e3a14-b427-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html

Beware !

The article ties this "proto-Eurasiatic" language to the kernels of the so called Indo-European people.

A tie of this nature can do wonders towards proving the existence of this so called Indo-Europeans, hence demonstrate that the beginning of civilization belongs to European ancestors. This is almost the ultimate dream for many Western scientists.

The trouble in proving that such an antique race actually existed is that the supporting  scientists have so far failed to find land of origin for them; a land where they originated from and spread their civilisation; İndia did not work, Iran did not work, Caucassia did not work. Seems to me they have their eyes on Eurassia now.

Guess who currently inhabits Eurassia !

Anatolian hypothesis proposes that the dispersal of Proto-Indo-Europeans originated in Neolithic Anatolia. The hypothesis suggests that the speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language (PIE) lived in Anatolia during the Neolithic era, and associates the distribution of historical Indo-European languages with the expansion during the Neolithic revolution during the seventh and sixth millennia BC. The alternative and more academically favored view is the Kurgan hypothesis.

The most important point in your map is that "Turks" are shown out of Anatolia...

That is what the whole fight is about....

Our friends, Germans, lead the opposition.

Bu konuda bilgili olduğun için belki zaten biliyorsundur. Bizim tarafın sessiz savaşçılarından biri İBRAHİM OKUR. "Kültür Savaşında İleri Savunma Hattı" diye yeni sayılacak bir kitabı var bu konuda. Hem internette hem piyasada bulunabilir.

When discussing the politics, many groups come out and saying that ´they are the victim of state persecution, victim of assimilation by the state ´ etc..  Kurds/ alevis/christians etc. I think the biggest group of victims yet to come out : During the state building process - early years of the republic-, many things were said such as sun language theory* or the source for the civilisation was Turks or Turks are orginated from a sunken continent called MU etc. These theories did not have any scientific backings and become a great example about even the heros can not change the sciense. But some really believed in these type of things (or lies) wholeheartedly. They are the biggest victims..

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory

You will probably like this book then 

During my speaking engagement In Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico about the Hindu-Turkic origin of the ancient Mexicans during April 25, 26, 27, 28, in 2007, the Hindus present expressed their extreme displeasure that most nations in the world refuse to recognize the truth that the ancient Hindus and Turks are the parents of this world. Nearly every person reading this article has a Turkic or Hindu last name. Yet, most humans on earth will swear that they’re anything but.Right now, the Mexicans and Hindus are collectively accepting the truth of their millenniums-old kinship, both genetically and culturally. I discovered this fact on my own, more than three decades ago. I hope that through my articles, books and other writings, our Hindu and Turkic parents will get the recognition and respect they so well deserve.

 Hopefully, the truth that we are all blood brothers may inspire us to stop killing one another.

–Gene Matlock

Note : You might think he is  crazy..but at least there is someone believes  in it .

I always thought Turkey was  Europe´s " Mexico "

Mexico resorts have waiters who act the same

Sweeds, Their Nordic God Odin.....and Turks

http://www.dunya48.com/cumhuriyet-ve-bugun/on-turkler/1870-prof-sven-lagerbring-isvecliler-turk-kokenlidir-tanrimiz-odin-de-turktur.html

Those who can not read Turkish can look up Prof Sven Lagerbring in google and see where he thinks the Nordic God ODIN comes from.

We discusssed about this  guy in the past. He is not crazy but I think he is making a living out of it. Possibly he is a charlatan  

I don´t know if he is charlatan or not. At the end of the day we all coming from the same parents "Adam and Eve" [according to my belief]. And I am PROUD of being a TURK. Just like Germans proud of being German.. French proud of being French..etc..

We all know Turks has long and great history with its language. Turks have influenced many nations and their languages and we were influenced by them. Therefore , we don´t know the all truths yet. Sun Language Theory will stay theory until it is proven. 

Well, no one here would say that ´I am not proud of my nation´.

Everybody is proud of what they are. 

But what we are talking about is "the science". 

In science, mostly you talk about the truths, which can be  proved. 

As far as the sun language theory goes, there is no scientific base for it.  I would recommend you to read Halil Berktay about the nations/languages in the land we live.  Please read the articles he wrote called ´hikaye i emerik´. Please do translate them if you have time..

So there is nothing to prove in that theory. As soon as Ataturk died, the theory has forgotten. 

some sections from it :

İnsanlığın geçmişinde, boşa gitmiş nice zaman ve emek var. Fantezilerle, sahte bilimle yitirilen yıllar. “Ağğ” sesinin, Emerik’in, Erke Dönergeci’nin, Oniki Ada’yı “aslında Türk” yapmanın peşinde tüketilen ömürler. Onca toplantı, atılan nutuklar, hayaller uğruna israf edilen kaynaklar.

Biri böyle bir kitap yazsa : Gelmiş Geçmiş En Absürd Projeler. “Türk Tarih Tezi”nin bile önünde, (günümüzde Türkiye’de bile çok daha az bilinmesi ve hatırlanması herhalde anlamlı olan) “Güneş-Dil Teorisi” yer alırdı sanırım.

Güya bütün diller “ah” veya “ağ” sesi ya da sözcük parçacığından türemiş. Neden ? İlk insan (ilk Türk mü demeli) güneşe bakıp hayret ve hayranlık içinde “ağ” demiş de ondan. Daha baştan sakat. Çünkü ilk insanın ortaya çıkmasının da, güneşi görmesinin de “ansızın” cereyan ettiğini sanıyor. Her nasılsa, (Tanrının Âdem’i yaratması gibi) öyle bir ilk insan çıkıyor ki ortaya, o zamana kadar hiç algılamadığı çevresinin birdenbire farkına varıyor; ilk defa başını kaldırıp güneşi görüyor ve o vaziyette, başı geride, “ağ” diyor.

Şaka gibi. Yeryüzünde hayat 4,5 milyon yıllık. Hominid’ler 3,5 milyon yıl geriye gidiyor.Ramapithecine’ler, Australopithecine’ler. Ancak 500.000 yıl önce, proto-Neandertal özellikler. SonraHomo sapiens sapiens. Bu süreç içinde, kim ilk “ağ” demiş acaba ? Lucy mi ? Homo erectus mu ? Homo habilis mi ?

Bu soruyu sormak bile yeter, bütün bir çılgınlığı önlemeye. Kipling’in If (Eğer) şiirinde ünlü iki mısra vardır : If you can keep your head/ While all around you are losing theirs (Sen koruyabilirsen aklını/ Başka herkes yitirirken). 1930’ların başlarında sakin ve ciddi bir kişi çıksa ve dese ki... Ama olmuyor işte. Diyemiyorlar. Koca koca adamlar sürükleniyor çocukça bir hevesin peşinden.

Tek Parti, Tek Adam rejim ve ortamlarının bir iflâh olmaz çürüklüğü işte burada. Normal bilim ölçüt ve kuralları askıya alınıyor. Yerine, bir ulu önder etrafında dönen, her dediğini doğru sayan-saydırtan başka kurallar geliyor.

Oh my gosh, what did I start?! I am afraid I don´t really understand what you all are discussing. But what I thought was interesting about this linguistic finding is that it means we all are tied together somehow. Maybe English and Turkish aren´t as far apart as we think. Maybe my uncle sat next to your uncle around some prehistoric fire. Maybe my uncle passed your uncle a piece of food. Maybe one of them told a joke and the other one laughed. We should all be proud of our nationalities and cultures, but we should also remember that we are all brothers, too. The world is getting smaller all the time.

Which one of the two uncles, do you think, could read and write ? 

Calm down

You have not started anything.. 

It is just the case that when someone  mentions that ´people actually have a common ancestor´, some of us just so eager to get up and say ´yes but the common ancestor was a Turk, we are the source of civilization etc´.

Either Turks, or Armenians 

We are proud Mexicans

Well, it might be all right for you. But as a Turk, I would prefer my people live with the truth, live with less lies and not live with a superficial and empty boast. Because that is not normal and not good for them, for us.  

Welcome to our family, trip

Dont use this phrase "as a Turk" too often, people are beginning to think you are not.

 I am sure, you are not.

Why would one need to repeat it over and over again. We can see who is a Turk and who is not, right?

Ah, you who accused me being an Armenian a few years ago and then insisted that it was not a racist remark. And now you are trying to say something which wont be racist. right? What if i were not a Turk? would it make me less valuable or would you make you look  more clever or less racist?

Talk to the hand mate, talk to the hand.

You might think you are insulting a person by calling him not a Turk (or the other one calls people as ´an Armenian´.

I thought you had nothing to do with the races!!

And I am "sure" this does not mean you are a racist...

I think I explained it but you don´t wnat to understand.

Again:

It was a modification of "içimizdeki İrlandılar" told by Mustafa Denizli before Turkia-Eire EC qualification match. I won´t go into detail why he called some people that way (A Türk would likely understand it). I just substituted İrlandalı with Ermeni. A Türk would see what I meant. You probably cannot because... You know what I mean...

In Turkey, normality for this kind is what Si++ is.

When racism is so common, it looks like normal to themselves. They would never call themselves racist as they know the word, racism, has a bad reputation, associated with nazis or skinheads etc. But they would think calling a person ´you are not a Turk´ would be an insult, or calling a person ´you are an Armenian´ would be an insult. It is like a person saying that ´I believe in sexual freedom and I am not a homophobic´ and then calling people ´gay´ as an insult. That is what I was trying to say about ´some dont even realize they are racist. They probably thinkn racism happens in Germany only´

The most pathetic part of it is that ´it is done by a Turk to a Turk about being a Turk´

I also am!

He he

What did I say?

´It is done by a Turk to a Turk about being a Turk´.

Once one of our great writers -Cetin Altan- mentioned it  as ´Turk´un Turk´e Turkluk propagandasi yapmasi´

I am Mexican

Who are you talking about? There is one Turk here. Either you or I. It´s exclusive or.

If you are a Turk then I am not.

Yeah, I think I am as well. I am leaving "being a Turk" to somebody else here.

Ha ha

The sad think for you and the thing makes me ralaxed is the knowledge that I am more Turk than you are.

And there is nothing exclusive in it. At least for me, as a normal Turk as opposed to the racist ones who think ´not being a Turk is an insult´.

You did make your choice.

Are you calling me racist? How dare you? It´s personal insult. Watch your language.

Well according to you calling a Turk  not being a  Turk is an insult.  Yes?

Or if it is not an insult according to you, why are you  calling a Turk ´not a Turk´ then?

This is the trap you put yourself into you "genious"!!

Calling someone racist is strong and insult. Who are you to call me that way in an open forum?

You´re such a (smart) troll to heat up debates here. That´s your contribution.

Quoting tunci

What is the point discussing such silly things ??  . And 9 out of  10 ends up with insulting eachother  and rubbish talking. Its like seeing the same bloody film over and over again. 

We all got to  stop this , These stupid discussions will bring  no good for Turkish Learners !!!

I completely agree with this..

However, you got to blame so called insults, out of  blue, ´calling a Turk not a Turk´ or calling a Turk ´an Armenian´.

If you make a racist remarks, you get your answer.. That is as simple as that.

But again, yes, this got to stop..

Quoting tunci

What is the point discussing such silly things ??  . And 9 out of  10 ends up with insulting eachother  and rubbish talking. Its like seeing the same bloody film over and over again. 

We all got to  stop this , These stupid discussions will bring  no good for Turkish Learners !!!

Hansom and being good for Turkish Learners? He has some other aims here.

No offence but you are imagining things. 

There are millions of scientific researchers in the world, many of whom dedicated their whole lives to the study of historical linguistics and other anthropological fields. Their job is to learn about everything that surrounds us: its past, present and future. These men and women abide to the strictest rules of professional conduct. There is no political agenda in these internationally-acclaimed research centers, so I really don´t know where you´re getting this idea from. 

The Washington Post aren´t the only people who wrote about it. The Economist, The Guardian and so many other newspapers/websites around the world wrote about the latest discoveries of the proto-Eurasiatic theory.

What´s wrong with the theory anyway? All it proves is that you´re all branches of the same tree. Indo-European, Uralic, Turkic, Caucasian and other Eurasian languages didn´t magically appear out of nowhere like a mushroom. They are all branches of the same tree, with a common ancestry. Scientists call the ancestral language Eurasiatic. In religion, the lineague is called Japhetic (the tribes of Japheth).

This isn´t about westerners wanting to prove their existence. This is about searching for our human origins. Welcome to the new age my friend, there are no borders today, we´re all one global community and we´re all related to each other.

By the way, westerners never claimed that they started human civilization. I really don´t know who taught you all this false information. Every single western scientist today would tell you that human civilization started in ancient Iraq, ancient Egypt, ancient India, maybe even ancient Ethiopia. None of those places are European, so where is the European bias?

The Eurasiatic theory will keep getting stronger as time goes by, and as humans learn more about their history. Western Europeans, Russians, Turks, Iranians, Indians, Mongolians, Hungarians are all related to each other, one way or the other. There´s nothing wrong with that.

the runic turkic alphabet is the parent of the runic germanic alphabet that is the parent of of germanic languages and had prepared the grounds for the phenocian alphabet which also got parented from the indo european hitites who immigrated from the northern india. this is what those fabled "scientists" might be trying to say.

also excuse me but scientists especially historians and antropologists are very political and sided. read on orientalizm and youll understand the reason behind such things.

"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance."

George Bernard Shaw

Bernard Shaw was certainly a smart man.

Yet, he could not have known more than a contemporary man of equal formal education level.