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A “proto-Eurasiatic” language?
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10.       tunci
7149 posts
 08 May 2013 Wed 07:33 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

We discusssed about this  guy in the past. He is not crazy but I think he is making a living out of it. Possibly he is a charlatan  

 

I don´t know if he is charlatan or not. At the end of the day we all coming from the same parents "Adam and Eve" [according to my belief]. And I am PROUD of being a TURK. Just like Germans proud of being German.. French proud of being French..etc..

 

We all know Turks has long and great history with its language. Turks have influenced many nations and their languages and we were influenced by them. Therefore , we don´t know the all truths yet. Sun Language Theory will stay theory until it is proven. 

 

11.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 May 2013 Wed 08:16 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

 

I don´t know if he is charlatan or not. At the end of the day we all coming from the same parents "Adam and Eve" [according to my belief]. And I am PROUD of being a TURK. Just like Germans proud of being German.. French proud of being French..etc..

 

We all know Turks has long and great history with its language. Turks have influenced many nations and their languages and we were influenced by them. Therefore , we don´t know the all truths yet. Sun Language Theory will stay theory until it is proven. 

 

 

 

Well, no one here would say that ´I am not proud of my nation´.

Everybody is proud of what they are. 

But what we are talking about is "the science". 

In science, mostly you talk about the truths, which can be  proved. 

As far as the sun language theory goes, there is no scientific base for it.  I would recommend you to read Halil Berktay about the nations/languages in the land we live.  Please read the articles he wrote called ´hikaye i emerik´. Please do translate them if you have time..

 

So there is nothing to prove in that theory. As soon as Ataturk died, the theory has forgotten. 

 

 

 

some sections from it :

İnsanlığın geçmişinde, boşa gitmiş nice zaman ve emek var. Fantezilerle, sahte bilimle yitirilen yıllar. “Ağğ” sesinin, Emerik’in, Erke Dönergeci’nin, Oniki Ada’yı “aslında Türk” yapmanın peşinde tüketilen ömürler. Onca toplantı, atılan nutuklar, hayaller uğruna israf edilen kaynaklar.

Biri böyle bir kitap yazsa : Gelmiş Geçmiş En Absürd Projeler. “Türk Tarih Tezi”nin bile önünde, (günümüzde Türkiye’de bile çok daha az bilinmesi ve hatırlanması herhalde anlamlı olan) “Güneş-Dil Teorisi” yer alırdı sanırım.

Güya bütün diller “ah” veya “ağ” sesi ya da sözcük parçacığından türemiş. Neden ? İlk insan (ilk Türk mü demeli) güneşe bakıp hayret ve hayranlık içinde “ağ” demiş de ondan. Daha baştan sakat. Çünkü ilk insanın ortaya çıkmasının da, güneşi görmesinin de “ansızın” cereyan ettiğini sanıyor. Her nasılsa, (Tanrının Âdem’i yaratması gibi) öyle bir ilk insan çıkıyor ki ortaya, o zamana kadar hiç algılamadığı çevresinin birdenbire farkına varıyor; ilk defa başını kaldırıp güneşi görüyor ve o vaziyette, başı geride, “ağ” diyor.

Şaka gibi. Yeryüzünde hayat 4,5 milyon yıllık. Hominid’ler 3,5 milyon yıl geriye gidiyor.Ramapithecine’ler, Australopithecine’ler. Ancak 500.000 yıl önce, proto-Neandertal özellikler. SonraHomo sapiens sapiens. Bu süreç içinde, kim ilk “ağ” demiş acaba ? Lucy mi ? Homo erectus mu ? Homo habilis mi ?

Bu soruyu sormak bile yeter, bütün bir çılgınlığı önlemeye. Kipling’in If (Eğer) şiirinde ünlü iki mısra vardır : If you can keep your head/ While all around you are losing theirs (Sen koruyabilirsen aklını/ Başka herkes yitirirken). 1930’ların başlarında sakin ve ciddi bir kişi çıksa ve dese ki... Ama olmuyor işte. Diyemiyorlar. Koca koca adamlar sürükleniyor çocukça bir hevesin peşinden.

Tek Parti, Tek Adam rejim ve ortamlarının bir iflâh olmaz çürüklüğü işte burada. Normal bilim ölçüt ve kuralları askıya alınıyor. Yerine, bir ulu önder etrafında dönen, her dediğini doğru sayan-saydırtan başka kurallar geliyor.

12.       trip
297 posts
 09 May 2013 Thu 09:56 am

Oh my gosh, what did I start?! I am afraid I don´t really understand what you all are discussing. But what I thought was interesting about this linguistic finding is that it means we all are tied together somehow. Maybe English and Turkish aren´t as far apart as we think. Maybe my uncle sat next to your uncle around some prehistoric fire. Maybe my uncle passed your uncle a piece of food. Maybe one of them told a joke and the other one laughed. We should all be proud of our nationalities and cultures, but we should also remember that we are all brothers, too. The world is getting smaller all the time.

13.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 May 2013 Thu 10:31 am

 

Quoting trip

Oh my gosh, what did I start?! I am afraid I don´t really understand what you all are discussing. But what I thought was interesting about this linguistic finding is that it means we all are tied together somehow. Maybe English and Turkish aren´t as far apart as we think. Maybe my uncle sat next to your uncle around some prehistoric fire. Maybe my uncle passed your uncle a piece of food. Maybe one of them told a joke and the other one laughed. We should all be proud of our nationalities and cultures, but we should also remember that we are all brothers, too. The world is getting smaller all the time.

 

Which one of the two uncles, do you think, could read and write ?  {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

14.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 09 May 2013 Thu 03:23 pm

 

Quoting trip

Oh my gosh, what did I start?! I am afraid I don´t really understand what you all are discussing. But what I thought was interesting about this linguistic finding is that it means we all are tied together somehow. Maybe English and Turkish aren´t as far apart as we think. Maybe my uncle sat next to your uncle around some prehistoric fire. Maybe my uncle passed your uncle a piece of food. Maybe one of them told a joke and the other one laughed. We should all be proud of our nationalities and cultures, but we should also remember that we are all brothers, too. The world is getting smaller all the time.

 

Calm down

You have not started anything.. 

It is just the case that when someone  mentions that ´people actually have a common ancestor´, some of us just so eager to get up and say ´yes but the common ancestor was a Turk, we are the source of civilization etc´. lol

15.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 May 2013 Thu 03:29 pm

Either Turks, or Armenians  {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

16.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 10 May 2013 Fri 04:57 am

 

Quoting Kelowna

I always thought Turkey was  Europe´s " Mexico "

Mexico resorts have waiters who act the same {#emotions_dlg.satisfied_nod}

 

We are proud Mexicans

17.       trip
297 posts
 10 May 2013 Fri 09:13 pm

Quote: thehandsome

´yes but the common ancestor was a Turk, we are the source of civilization etc´.
If the Turks are the source of civilization, that would be all right with me.

18.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 11 May 2013 Sat 12:41 am

 

Quoting trip

If the Turks are the source of civilization, that would be all right with me.

 

Well, it might be all right for you. But as a Turk, I would prefer my people live with the truth, live with less lies and not live with a superficial and empty boast. Because that is not normal and not good for them, for us.  

19.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 11 May 2013 Sat 01:51 am

 

Quoting trip

If the Turks are the source of civilization, that would be all right with me.

 

Welcome to our family, trip



Edited (5/11/2013) by gokuyum

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20.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 11 May 2013 Sat 10:01 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Well, it might be all right for you. But as a Turk, I would prefer my people live with the truth, live with less lies and not live with a superficial and empty boast. Because that is not normal and not good for them, for us.  

 

Dont use this phrase "as a Turk" too often, people are beginning to think you are not.

 I am sure, you are not.

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