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Gezi Park and how Erdogan working with Ocalan
1.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 12 Jun 2013 Wed 01:29 am

Ocalan,  leader of a terrorist organization, responsible for the deaths of over 40 thousands people, says hello to the protestors in gezi park! And his crew has been already there ready to throw stones and wreck the shops and cars as usual. this unusual usual things have been happening in turkey or fdecades.

the people protesting the wrong policies of goverment and trying to save firstly trees and the country itself are very annoyed with extremist terrorism related crew in gezi park. they started to stone the police again and the other protestors said: "hey, what are you doing, no violance, no vandalism, we are not here to attack police and state" and the result, the group throwing stones to police started to throw stone to these protestors.

never ever heard unknown extremist leftist organisations showing their slogans and still doing their 50 years old propaganda was there, too. they are everywhere as long as there is a possibitly to battle with police and to break the shop windows, burn cars etc.

it seems that some groups in the park secretly working together with erdogan. and as long as they are there, this protests will not be peaciful. and edogan looks at the stuation and smiles under his moustache.

Well done pkk/bdp and other leftist organisations, you ruined a rare and effective protest. Well done, erdogan gonna kiss you from the forehead.

2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 12 Jun 2013 Wed 03:32 pm

I agree about the old style left groups being a nuisance but I dont think Kurds are a problem for the event..

This little turkish article should give you an idea:

http://www.radikal.com.tr/fotogaleri/turkiye/gezi_toparlanmaya_calisiyor-1137286-3

Kurds who support Ocalan, started their traditional dance in Gezi park this morning. Gezi protesters joked about them saying ´they have been fighting for 30 years, 15 days of fighting is nothing for them´

I never thought people who are risking their lives to protect a park would turn their back to Kurds..

3.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 04:37 am

i am not talking about kurds. i have no problem with them and i recommend none should have.

the problem begins when you see the terrorism supporters and kurds are the same thing. fight for what, what kind of fight it is. if their leader was innocent, why you have been keeping him in prison. if he was guilty, making propaganda of him and following his footsteps should not be a right action. kurds speak and use their language like any language. terrorism is totally different subject and must be differenciated. if you lost one of your relatives by a random suicide bomber sent by pkk i think you would think different and differenciate kurds and pkk supporters.

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 11:18 pm

 

Quoting ikicihan

i am not talking about kurds. i have no problem with them and i recommend none should have.

the problem begins when you see the terrorism supporters and kurds are the same thing. fight for what, what kind of fight it is. if their leader was innocent, why you have been keeping him in prison. if he was guilty, making propaganda of him and following his footsteps should not be a right action. kurds speak and use their language like any language. terrorism is totally different subject and must be differenciated. if you lost one of your relatives by a random suicide bomber sent by pkk i think you would think different and differenciate kurds and pkk supporters.

 

Well unfortunately, we have all been misguided about this terrorism things. Now, the state came to the conclusion that ´the state has made mistakes and the terrorism was the result of those mistakes. PKK was the result of our own doing.. You say Kurds are free to use the language etc but it was not when PKK started fighting.. If Kurds are free to speak their own language today, they wont thank to the state which was forced to give in the demands. We have to realise the fact that Kurds did not have basic rights and they had some of those rights after ´something´ and that something is not our compassion. Basically we have to make peace with them because we could not defeat them. And you make the peace with the people you have been fighting. Those people are represented by BDP/PKK/Ocalan. That is the reality. Accepting this reality will prevent people get killed in the future.



Edited (6/13/2013) by thehandsom

5.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 16 Jun 2013 Sun 07:28 am

i am not saying "Kurds are free to use the language etc" I do say they should be...

Majority of kurds vote for the ruling party, AKP. So who is the representative..

I do not defend the state, all these problems was the result of mistakes done by the ruling elite in the past.

 

And you cannot ignore the fact that 40.000+ people got killed. And you cannot claim that pkk is innocent peaciful opposition. pkk is not the representative of kurds. Accept that truth. Even if a quarter of them support pkk, they represent themselves only. If you dont belive, go to the nearest kurdish people available and ask them.



Edited (6/16/2013) by ikicihan

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