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1.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 06:07 pm

You are tall. --> Sen uzunsun.

My question is that why we used sun instead of sin, as as this is not i -type suffix to.

reason for this??

Thanks in anitcipation!

2.       Kelowna
375 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 07:52 pm

because of vowel harmony you can read about it with a search on tc

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish_lesson_59

3.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:12 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

because of vowel harmony you can read about it with a search on tc

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish_lesson_59

 

but as this is a hard word there might be "ı" instead of u. what you say??

4.       necla
22 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:30 pm

5.       Kelowna
375 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:33 pm

If the first syllable of the word has a flat vowel (a,e,ı,i), other vowels of the word should be flat vowels too.

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6.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:33 pm

 

Quoting necla

 

empty???? necla!!!{#emotions_dlg.think}

7.       tunci
7149 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:40 pm

 

Quoting kashf-ul-eman

You are tall. --> Sen uzunsun.

My question is that why we used sun instead of sin, as as this is not i -type suffix to.

reason for this??

Thanks in anitcipation!

 

When you check your vowel harmony,  always focus on the very last vowel of  the word. 

 

Here our word is "uzun" , what is the last vowel of it ?  it is "u". So take "u" 

 

The suffix you want to add is second singular person [you] , so  , we have 4 option to choose for, 

 

sın

 

sin

 

sun

 

sün

 

 

and  which one would be harmonic with "u"  ? , Yes,  with given four options , it is "sun".

 

u ----> u  

 

   so,  you can attach it onto the word now.

 

   Uzun +   sun  ===>  Uzunsun  [ You are tall]

 

 

===================================

 

Another example ;

 

We want to say   " You are  Kashf-ul  mean  " 

 

what is the last vowel  in  Kashf -ul   eman      ?  

 

     it is  "a"

 

     going back to our options ;  sın

                                                 sin 

                                                 sun

                                                 sün

 

a ---->  i     NO

 

a ---> ı        YES

 

a  ---> u      NO

 

a -----> ü     NO 

 

Kashf -ul   eman  + sın   ----->  Kashf-ul   emansın.   ---->  You are  Kashf-ul  eman.

 

 

 

 

 

If  the last vowel of the word  is   or  ı    ---->    sın         [ Oradasın,  [Sarısın ] 

 

                                                     or  i   ---->    sin           [ Öğretmensin ,  [ İşçisin  ]

 

                                                     u   or  o   ---->  sun       [ Uzunsun] ,  [ Japonsun ]

 

                                                     ü  or   ö  ---->   sün        [ Gürcüsün ], [ Dansözsün ]    

 

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8.       Kelowna
375 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:43 pm

  • a or ı may be followed by a or ı
  • o or u may be followed by u or a
  • e or i may be followed by e or i
  • ö or ü may be followed by ü or e

 

here are three rules of vowel harmony:

  1. Back vowels are followed by back vowels, front vowels are followed by front vowels. Do not cross the back/front boundary.
  2. Unrounded vowels are followed by unrounded vowels.
  3. A rounded vowel may be followed by a mix of rounded closed and unrounded open vowels.


Edited (6/13/2013) by Kelowna

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9.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:44 pm

Look kash-ul-eman. Dont try to learn every principle about Turkish grammar. Even I dont remember the minor vowel harmony principles now. But I still talk properly. Read a lot and you will learn to use which form of suffix without knowing the minor vowel harmony principles.

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10.       Kelowna
375 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:45 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Look kash-ul-eman. Dont try to learn every principle about Turkish grammar. Even I dont remember the minor vowel harmony principles now. But I still talk properly. Read a lot and you will learn to use which form of suffix without knowing the minor vowel harmony principles.

 

  • a or ı may be followed by a or ı
  • o or u may be followed by u or a
  • e or i may be followed by e or i
  • ö or ü may be followed by ü or e

 

here are three rules of vowel harmony:

  1. Back vowels are followed by back vowels, front vowels are followed by front vowels. Do not cross the back/front boundary.
  2. Unrounded vowels are followed by unrounded vowels.
  3. A rounded vowel may be followed by a mix of rounded closed and unrounded open vowels.

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11.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:48 pm

cordiously thank you both kelwona and tunci {#emotions_dlg.flowers}

 

let me practicise it in my notes.

12.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:52 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Look kash-ul-eman. Dont try to learn every principle about Turkish grammar. Even I dont remember the minor vowel harmony principles now. But I still talk properly. Read a lot and you will learn to use which form of suffix without knowing the minor vowel harmony principles.

 

But gokuyum m totally lay girl for turkish language, so that i have to follow these rules and wnts to clear my concepts for avoiding to get in to hot water

13.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:54 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

 

 

  • a or ı may be followed by a or ı
  • o or u may be followed by u or a
  • e or i may be followed by e or i
  • ö or ü may be followed by ü or e

 

here are three rules of vowel harmony:

  1. Back vowels are followed by back vowels, front vowels are followed by front vowels. Do not cross the back/front boundary.
  2. Unrounded vowels are followed by unrounded vowels.
  3. A rounded vowel may be followed by a mix of rounded closed and unrounded open vowels.

 

i think i need 1000 times practice for this

14.       Abla
3648 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 08:57 pm

Quote: gokuyum

Read a lot and you will learn to use which form of suffix without knowing the minor vowel harmony principles.

gokuyum is right, that is what happens even to learners, believe it or not. After plenty of repeating simple phonetical rules get automatized and then you are free to forget them. But unfortunately the number of repeats needed is in thousands.

15.       TheNemanja
116 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 09:23 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

gokuyum is right, that is what happens even to learners, believe it or not. After plenty of repeating simple phonetical rules get automatized and then you are free to forget them. But unfortunately the number of repeats needed is in thousands.

 

I haven´t learned that rule ever, it´s just very logical to me,when I see E it´s just logical that suffix must be with İ. Like it´s in my blood. I don´t know how,i´s just like it this.

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16.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 09:26 pm

 

Quoting TheNemanja

 

 

I haven´t learned that rule ever, it´s just very logical to me,when I see E it´s just logical that suffix must be with İ. Like it´s in my blood. I don´t know how,i´s just like it this.

 

You were a Turk in your previous life Nemanja that is why. And I was an alien, that is why I behave so weird.

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17.       tunci
7149 posts
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 09:56 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

You were a Turk in your previous life Nemanja that is why. And I was an alien, that is why I behave so weird.

 

Hangi  gezegen  Gok ? Belki hemşeri çıkarız. Smile

 

18.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 12:33 am

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

Hangi  gezegen  Gok ? Belki hemşeri çıkarız. Smile

 

 

Hemşehricilik yapmayalım, adam kayırmayalım

19.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 11:48 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

gokuyum is right, that is what happens even to learners, believe it or not. After plenty of repeating simple phonetical rules get automatized and then you are free to forget them. But unfortunately the number of repeats needed is in thousands.

i just say hope for the best every time. Slow and steady wins the race

 



Edited (6/14/2013) by kashf-ul-eman

20.       elenagabriela
2040 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 01:16 pm

 

Quoting kashf-ul-eman

 

i just say hope for the best every time. Slow and steady wins the race

 

 

like The Story of Rabbit and Tortoise

http://childhoodreading.com/?p=3

 

it was a joke

 



Edited (6/14/2013) by elenagabriela [link added]

21.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 01:25 pm

 

Quoting elenagabriela

 

 

like The Story of Rabbit and Tortoise

http://childhoodreading.com/?p=3

 

it was a joke

 

 

not a joke. sometime joke may turn into reality

22.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 01:37 pm

"Sen uzunsun" is not the proper way of telling someone he/she is tall; it may easily be misunderstood.

Nice girls should always prefer "Sen uzun boylusun" instead.

{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}



Edited (6/14/2013) by AlphaF
Edited (6/14/2013) by AlphaF

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23.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 01:49 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

"Sen uzunsun" is not the proper way of telling someone he/she is tall; it may easily be misunderstood.

Nice girls should always prefer "Sen uzun boylusun" instead.

{#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

who talks about boys atleast nice girls not hahaha {#emotions_dlg.angel} {#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

24.       Kelowna
375 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 04:39 pm

0 uzun bir kadin                   she is a tall woman

sen uzun bir erkeksin             you are a tall man

 

 

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25.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 04:45 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

0 uzun bir kadin                   she is a tall woman

sen uzun bir erkeksin             you are a tall man

 

 

 

"Uzun" does not mean "tall", it simply means "long".

26.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 04:46 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

0 uzun bir kadin                   she is a tall woman

sen uzun bir erkeksin             you are a tall man

 

 

 

 

I am a tall girl----->>>ben uzun bir kızım.

27.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 04:53 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

"Uzun" does not mean "tall", it simply means "long".

 

Falancell´le uzun uzun konuşun...

28.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 04:57 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

"Uzun" does not mean "tall", it simply means "long".

 

ohhhh then why Uzun was being used in that sentence {#emotions_dlg.think}

29.       Kelowna
375 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 05:34 pm

I guess you could also use boylu  which means tall-long and high

but normally uzun is used

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30.       tunci
7149 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 05:42 pm

 

Quoting kashf-ul-eman

 

 

ohhhh then why Uzun was being used in that sentence {#emotions_dlg.think}

 

Because sometimes people don´t want to be bothered  to say the whole thing, It´s just the way of  collaquial usage , by dropping "boylu".

Everyone knows that just "uzun" doesn´t mean "tall" on its own however when you use it with a person, people will know  that the person  is talking about "tall" [the height of a person] , although it is not a proper way.,people use it that way.. its just a collaquial way.

 

Ayşe uzun ve zayıf bir kız  =  Ayşe uzun boylu ve zayıf bir kız  ===> Ayşe is a tall and thin girl. 

 

 

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31.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 05:47 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

 

Because sometimes people don´t want to be bothered  to say the whole thing, It´s just the way of  collaquial usage , by dropping "boylu".

Everyone knows that just "uzun" doesn´t mean "tall" on its own however when you use it with a person, people will know  that the person  is talking about "tall" [the height of a person] , although it is not a proper way.,people use it that way.. its just a collaquial way.

 

 

Ayşe uzun ve zayıf bir kız  =  Ayşe uzun boylu ve zayıf bir kız  ===> Ayşe is a tall and thin girl. 

 

 

 

 

çok teşükkür edirim. this information is very fruitful.

32.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 06:33 pm

Ayşenin bacakları, kolları, parmakları, burnu, boynu, dili vs tek tek uzun olabilir ama Ayşe uzun olmaz; Ayşe uzun boylu olur.

Millete yanlış yunluş şeyler öğretmeyin.

 

33.       Kelowna
375 posts
 14 Jun 2013 Fri 08:48 pm

my try

Quoting AlphaF

Ayşenin bacakları, kolları, parmakları, burnu, boynu, dili vs tek tek uzun olabilir ama Ayşe uzun olmaz; Ayşe uzun boylu olur.

ayse legs, arms, fingers,nose, neck, tongue  - all in all possible long - but ayse to be long: okay ayse is tall

Millete yanlış yunluş şeyler öğretmeyin.

people i did not teach the wrong thing

 

 

 

millete  is in regards to other turks ?

 

 

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34.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 02:32 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

Ayşenin bacakları, kolları, parmakları, burnu, boynu, dili vs tek tek uzun olabilir ama Ayşe uzun olmaz; Ayşe uzun boylu olur.

Millete yanlış yunluş şeyler öğretmeyin.

 

 

Yanlış olduğunu düşünmüyorum. İkisi de günlük hayatta sıkça kullanılıyor.

35.       caliptrix
3055 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 02:36 am

 

Quoting Kelowna

my try

Ayşenin bacakları, kolları, parmakları, burnu, boynu, dili vs tek tek uzun olabilir ama Ayşe uzun olmaz; Ayşe uzun boylu olur.

ayse legs, arms, fingers,nose, neck, tongue  - all in all possible long - but ayse to be long: okay ayse is tall

Millete yanlış yunluş şeyler öğretmeyin.

people i did not teach the wrong thing

millete  is in regards to other turks ?

 

 

 

He thinks, some of people on the forum teach wrong. so he says;

Don´t teach people wrong things

He calls learners as millet.

 

I personally think that both are used widely in practical language, and not wrong.

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36.       MoustacheFan
9 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 05:10 am

Quote:

      kashf-ul-eman 
75 posts 
Private message
 

Quote
 13 Jun 2013 Thu 04:07 pm

 

You are tall. --> Sen uzunsun.

My question is that why we used sun instead of sin, as as this is not i -type suffix to.

reason for this??

Thanks in anitcipation!

 

Hi, I remembered the vowel harmony rule like this and it was easy:

e goes with dotted letters: ö ü i

a goes with undotted letters: o u ı

 

The last vowel will indicate to you which vowel will follow.

After a while it will come naturally to you. Good luck with your learning!

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37.       kashf-ul-eman
180 posts
 15 Jun 2013 Sat 12:10 pm

 

Quoting MoustacheFan

Hi, I remembered the vowel harmony rule like this and it was easy:

e goes with dotted letters: ö ü i

a goes with undotted letters: o u ı

 

The last vowel will indicate to you which vowel will follow.

After a while it will come naturally to you. Good luck with your learning!

Thank you MoustacheFan this formula is very interesting to learn.

 

38.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 17 Jun 2013 Mon 08:04 am

 

Quoting caliptrix

 

 

Yanlış olduğunu düşünmüyorum. İkisi de günlük hayatta sıkça kullanılıyor.

 

Günlük hayatta birçok şeyi yanlış yapan tonla kişi var. Söylediğin lafın bir manası yok.

Laf olsun, asmalar budansın.

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