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10.       Lyndie
968 posts
 02 Oct 2005 Sun 08:13 pm

Maybe we can resurrect the Feminism debate.We don't want to get 'stale'

11.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 02 Oct 2005 Sun 08:38 pm

Sure thing Lyndie, but unfortunately I don't know much about feminism in Turkey. The way I see it, feminism is about being able to make a choice. If a woman wants to pursue her career rather than be a housewife, she should have the right to do it. And the other way round, if she feels perfectly fine keeping herself busy with cleaning up, cooking and bringing up the children she should be allowed to do so. As far as I know, Turkish women do have access to universities so by no means does the state make it hard for them to get educated. I suppose the inequalities between the sexes originate rather from the traditions and customs than the country's policy. I met a few Turkish women who are about 30, single and perfectly fine about it. I also met those who openly say they want to get married and devote their lives to being a housewife.
What surprises me about Turkish women, however, is that they are usually more quiet and polite than we (ahm..let's call us northern women) are. Also, I was surprised not to have seen many women in pubs in Turkey. I asked my friends if it was in bad taste for a woman to go to a pub, but they replied that there were no such rules and the women didn't go there because they didn't want to. Again, I think it's the tradition to be blamed for it. I might be wrong of course - I am not a specialist in Turkish sociology by any means. The above are just my general impressions and I hope nobody will feel insulted.

12.       duskahvesi
858 posts
 02 Oct 2005 Sun 09:01 pm

if any woman[who lives in the east] claims that she is a feminist, if her husband hits her, there is no feminist actioN lol
[this is a joke lol ]

13.       Lyndie
968 posts
 03 Oct 2005 Mon 01:25 am

Not too funny dusk...I expected better from you.

14.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 11:30 am

Anybody interested in continuing the discussion that Lyndie started a year and a half ago? (Maybe that will convince her to visit us more often? )

15.       MrX67
2540 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 11:59 am

all sort isms can be danger when turned to fanatismand i think when we remember male&female halfs of same whole then i think will no need to be any ism

16.       aenigma x
0 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 12:20 pm

Quoting MrX67:

all sort isms can be danger when turned to fanatismand i think when we remember male&female halfs of same whole then i think will no need to be any ism



A danger? The only ones that are dangerous are sexism, racism and misogynism

17.       MrX67
2540 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 12:46 pm

theres only one innocent and nice ism of life is ''humanism'' i think

18.       catwoman
8933 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 01:09 pm

Quoting MrX67:

all sort isms can be danger when turned to fanatismand i think when we remember male&female halfs of same whole then i think will no need to be any ism



Can you please explain the claims you make instead of posting a serious statement and leaving it at that?

Males and females are not "halves" - they are entities in themselves! And I think Lyndie intended to talk about feminism in Turkey...! That reminds me of a small conversation I had with one young, educated woman in Turkey. I mentioned feminism and she quickly replied that she's not one. Somehow that was surprising to me... I was about to learn that women in Turkey (the ones I met) love it when men fight for them/give them attention... etc. They are not especially aware of the values of individualism and independence, especially from men. This woman didn't think that men are intrinsically better but she sure loved the power of sexual manipulation. This just shows how women are incredibly responsible for perpetuating the "macho paradox" by validating it and finding it attractive.

19.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 01:13 pm

I hate the word 'feminism' it reminds of the days when groups of women banded together and burned their bra's. A feminist to me is a woman who is not satisfied with herself. I am not a feminist, I like men too much for that man hating stuff. I prefer to think of myself as an equal, not physically as this will never be possible, but mentally, intellectually and competitively in business, DIY, etc and on a lighter note, drinking games. Treat a man as an equal and they will treat you the same - in my experience anyway!

20.       MrX67
2540 posts
 01 Mar 2007 Thu 02:00 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting MrX67:

all sort isms can be danger when turned to fanatismand i think when we remember male&female halfs of same whole then i think will no need to be any ism



Can you please explain the claims you make instead of posting a serious statement and leaving it at that?

Males and females are not "halves" - they are entities in themselves! And I think Lyndie intended to talk about feminism in Turkey...! That reminds me of a small conversation I had with one young, educated woman in Turkey. I mentioned feminism and she quickly replied that she's not one. Somehow that was surprising to me... I was about to learn that women in Turkey (the ones I met) love it when men fight for them/give them attention... etc. They are not especially aware of the values of individualism and independence, especially from men. This woman didn't think that men are intrinsically better but she sure loved the power of sexual manipulation. This just shows how women are incredibly responsible for perpetuating the "macho paradox" by validating it and finding it attractive.

i can hear you catwoman,but i think thats not a problem on Turkey,thats the problem of all world..well,sure woman rights may be not enough in Turkey and still planty women living in hard conditions about to bad treats of men.Thats one of the biggest social problem of our people,but i tried to say when you use feminism more then enough as a strick ideology it can be turn on a sexual racism in time.Things changing in Turke after industralization and city life,and i keep my hopes our women will get their all rights as soon as by the social revaliations..

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