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80.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Mar 2009 Wed 11:28 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

As a result, women were mysteriously perceived as the only ones capable of producing their own kind. They were naturally revered as "the giver of life". Because man had not yet made the association between sex and reproduction, the concepts of paternity & fatherhood, which form the foundations of our current modern day patriarchal system, did not exist. Mother was the single parent, and the sole progenitor. Under such matrilinear societies, children assumed the names of their mother´s clan, and the accounts of descent were kept through the female line, running from mother to daughter, rather than from father to son. The names were not the only things that passed along these lines. Titles, and possessions in the form of inheritances, as well as territorial land ownership were retained within the clan under the mother´s name.

 

Archeological evidence suggests that the earliest concepts of religion & ancestor worship developed with the concept that the female had a superior social position in comparison to man. The most tangible evidence are the numerous sculptures, referred to as Venus figures, which go back as far as 25,000 B.C. From Southern France to Lake Baikal in Siberia, the vast Eurasian territories seemed to practice the "Great Mother/Goddess" cult

 

 

 Interesting post....I notice most the "Venus" figures look quite gravid. .....it looks like some of them are actually 27,000 years old. 

Hmmm...just noticed they say the one at the top of this page is:

 

"The female figurine from Berekhat Ram, in Israel. It is the oldest known figurative carving in the world, and is somewhere between 233 000 and 800 000 years old, older than Neanderthal man, and probably carved by Homo Erectus."



Edited (3/18/2009) by alameda [added info]

81.       libralady
5152 posts
 18 Mar 2009 Wed 11:31 pm

 

Quoting femmeous

 

 

 naaaaaah, have no mood to go into details of who and why deleted my post, that had contained no insult.

btw, before you worried about me. why dont you think a little bit? nobody knows anything about the history that dates back to 25 000. the historians can go as far as 3-4 000 BC.

 

 

It does not bother me how far they can go back - I am more into what can be proven scientifically than historically..... that is why I am not a creationist.

 

82.       femmeous
2642 posts
 18 Mar 2009 Wed 11:35 pm

 i pass

Quoting libralady

 

 

It does not bother me how far they can go back - I am more into what can be proven scientifically than historically..... that is why I am not a creationist.

 

 

 

83.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 18 Mar 2009 Wed 11:40 pm

Well, we would not expect you eto know much about the history of mankind either... Neither would we ever assume that you knew anything about mythology nor prehistory.

It must be the legacy of your privilaged Soviet training...

The rest of academics in the world though do recall human history going back way further than 25,000 years...

Go englighten yourself on the wiki for all those years you wasted  in Cossackistan...

It is amamzing that the only sentence you managed to produce in response to my post is this... I should quote that, I guess, as the nonsense of the millenium...

Quoting femmeous

what a crap. i cant recall that human history going back as far as 25 thousand years BC.

 

 

 

84.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 18 Mar 2009 Wed 11:52 pm

well, don´t let femm hear that...

She might have a baby venus out of frustration... She seems to focus on the written records and disregards archeology or human prehistory for that matter...

Quoting alameda

 

 

 Interesting post....I notice most the "Venus" figures look quite gravid. .....it looks like some of them are actually 27,000 years old. 

Hmmm...just noticed they say the one at the top of this page is:

 

"The female figurine from Berekhat Ram, in Israel. It is the oldest known figurative carving in the world, and is somewhere between 233 000 and 800 000 years old, older than Neanderthal man, and probably carved by Homo Erectus."

 

 

85.       femmeous
2642 posts
 18 Mar 2009 Wed 11:53 pm

 nothing is said about goddess worshipping back to 25 thousand years,

give me pls, some links about godesses being worshipped 25000 years ago so i can enlighten myself.

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Well, we would not expect you eto know much about the history of mankind either... Neither would we ever assume that you knew anything about mythology nor prehistory.

It must be the legacy of your privilaged Soviet training...

The rest of academics in the world though do recall human history going back way further than 25,000 years...

Go englighten yourself on the wiki for all those years you wasted  in Cossackistan...

It is amamzing that the only sentence you managed to produce in response to my post is this... I should quote that, I guess, as the nonsense of the millenium...

Quoting femmeous

what a crap. i cant recall that human history going back as far as 25 thousand years BC.

 

 

 

 

 

86.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Mar 2009 Thu 12:02 am

I am sure you can google it out yourself with your delicate fingers... 

Quoting femmeous

 nothing is said about goddess worshipping back to 25 thousand years,

give me pls, some links about godesses being worshipped 25000 years ago so i can enlighten myself.

 

 

 

 

 

87.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 19 Mar 2009 Thu 12:15 am

I don´t know where Cinimini got the idea that women have always been oppressed and that feminism is based on this assumption. After all, there are still matriarchic cultures...Feminism is about equality so, logically, it applies to situations where women do not have an equal status. I have never heard any protests against lack of equality 25k years BC. It is about today and tomorrow, about how masculine and feminine roles will develop and co-exist about the mere suggestion that you can do what you´re good at regardless of what´s dangling between your legs or on your chest.

88.       femmeous
2642 posts
 19 Mar 2009 Thu 12:20 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I don´t know where Cinimini got the idea that women have always been oppressed and that feminism is based on this assumption. After all, there are still matriarchic cultures...Feminism is about equality so, logically, it applies to situations where women do not have an equal status. I have never heard any protests against lack of equality 25k years BC. It is about today and tomorrow, about how masculine and feminine roles will develop and co-exist about the mere suggestion that you can do what you´re good at regardless of what´s dangling between your legs or on your chest.

 

 the thing is that, cinimini claims that it wasnt so all the time, that there were times when people worshipped goddesses, thus women were respected.

a complete bullshit, in every ancient civilization women were opresssed and treated a low citizen.

89.       femmeous
2642 posts
 19 Mar 2009 Thu 12:21 am

 

Quoting cynicmystic

I am sure you can google it out yourself with your delicate fingers... 

 

 

 

 if you have no proof then give me a break

90.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Mar 2009 Thu 12:21 am

Valid points but cinimini still stands behind his post...

The op[ression of woman in the past six 5 thousand years may just be a phenomenon.

Maybe it will be men who will be oppressed and unequal in the next millenium...

Who knows... 

Quoting Daydreamer

I don´t know where Cinimini got the idea that women have always been oppressed and that feminism is based on this assumption. After all, there are still matriarchic cultures...Feminism is about equality so, logically, it applies to situations where women do not have an equal status. I have never heard any protests against lack of equality 25k years BC. It is about today and tomorrow, about how masculine and feminine roles will develop and co-exist about the mere suggestion that you can do what you´re good at regardless of what´s dangling between your legs or on your chest.

 

 

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