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Ergenekon case / Time for verdict arrives
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Aug 2013 Mon 12:26 am


Time for verdict arrives in Turkey´s major coup plot trial
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The case, which began in 2007 with the discovery of 27 hand grenades in a house in Istanbul, has seen some of the country’s most prominent figures detained and arrested, including the likes of former Chief of General Staff Gen. İlker Başbuğ, Republican People’s Party (CHP) deputies Mehmet Haberal and Mustafa Balbay and journalists Tuncay Özkan and İlhan Selçuk. A series of high-ranking army personnel, including retired generals Veli Küçük, Hasan Iğsız, Hurşit Tolon and Şener Eruygur, have also been jailed.
The case began with the testimonies of the owners of the house where the explosives were discovered, and the initial indictment, running nearly 3,000 pages, accused the suspects of running a mafia-like terrorist organization that aimed to “push the country back to chaos, darkness and insecurity” in a bid to provoke a military coup ..
.. all lost their mothers during the five-year legal process.
..Some 31 of the 130 witnesses were secret witnesses, while several of them subsequently outed themselves, including former high-level Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) member Şemdin Sakık, whose testimony caused a strong public backlash.

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source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/time-for-verdict-arrives-in-turkeys-major-coup-plot-trial.aspx?pageID=238&nID=52014&NewsCatID=339

2.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 05 Aug 2013 Mon 12:30 pm

More of Ergenekon case:

A court in Turkey is expected to deliver its verdict later on Monday in the trial of more than 270 people accused of plotting to overthrow the country´s Islamic-rooted government.

 

Among the defendants is a former army chief as well as other army officers, lawyers, academics and journalists.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23571739

 

Security forces set up barricades around the courthouse in the Silivri jail complex, west of Istanbul, to tighten security after the defendants´ supporters vowed to hold a demonstration against the five-year trial that has exposed deep divisions in Turkish society.

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/uk-turkey-ergenekon-idUKBRE97404Q20130805

 

The head of the Union of Turkish Bar Associations (TBB), Metin Feyzioğlu, said that it was more or less possible to predict the verdict of the Ergenekon case which is to be announced at the Silivri courthouse Aug.5....

 

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ergenekon-verdict-predictable-turkish-bar-head-says.aspx?pageID=238&nID=52018&NewsCatID=339

3.       Abla
3648 posts
 05 Aug 2013 Mon 03:53 pm

And how should this be interpreted...the power of the army is decreasing maybe.

 

I recently read an acticle about the Turkish military service. Some problems like bullying and boys committing suicides during the service (934 casualties in ten years, more than in the battle fields) were previously silenced but now discussed more openly.



Edited (8/5/2013) by Abla

4.       xxxnavymanxxx
12 posts
 05 Aug 2013 Mon 05:43 pm

 

Quoting Abla

And how should this be interpreted...the power of the army is decreasing maybe.

 

I recently read an acticle about the Turkish military service. Some problems like bullying and boys committing suicides during the service (934 casualties in ten years, more than in the battle fields) were previously silenced but now discussed more openly.

 

Ordunun gücü belkide azalıyor

5.       burakk
309 posts
 05 Aug 2013 Mon 07:12 pm

coup with 20 grenades. turkish power!

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 06 Aug 2013 Tue 12:11 am

Turkey´s former armed forces chief has been jailed for life for plotting to overthrow the government, after five years of trials involving officers, lawyers, writers and journalists.

Gen Ilker Basbug was among dozens of people convicted of involvement in the so-called Ergenekon plot.

Critics of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan have accused him of staging show trials to eliminate his enemies.
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Journalist Tuncay Ozkan, who helped organise a series of anti-government protests in 2007, was given a life sentence with an additional 16 years
Mustafa Balbay, a journalist and MP with the main opposition Republican People´s Party (CHP), was sentenced to 34 years and eight months
Lawyer Kemal Kerincsiz, famous for bringing cases against cultural figures accusing them of "anti-Turkishness", was jailed for life
Workers´ Party leader Dogu Perincek, whose party advocates a mixture of socialism and ultra-nationalism, was jailed for life
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23571739

Ergenekon: The court case that changed Turkey

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23581891
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Clashes erupt after Turkey trial verdicts
Police disperse protesters gathered around courthouse as ex-army chief and many others sentenced in conspiracy trial.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/08/201385145137288375.html

Timeline: Turkey´s ´Ergenekon´ trial
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/08/20138512358195978.html
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Turkey´s ex-army chief sentenced to life in prison for coup plot
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/10223910/Turkeys-ex-army-chief-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-coup-plot.html

Life sentences for 17 ringleaders of Turkey´s ´Deep State´ coup plot as epic trial concludes with 300 verdicts

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/life-sentences-for-17-ringleaders-of-turkeys-deep-state-coup-plot-as-epic-trial-concludes-with-300-verdicts-8746264.html

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I think, we will be talking about these sentences for a while.

 

7.       si++
3785 posts
 07 Aug 2013 Wed 06:14 pm

It is a horrible feeling to know that a dangerous terrorist had successfully infiltrated into the military top brass for several years, disguised himself as head of the armed forces, won Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s confidence and had access to top secret state documents.

It is equally horrible to know that several other terrorists had disguised themselves as members of the top brass, ran our universities and even joined the ranks of our profession as respected journalists. God saved Turkey from a disaster!

8.       catwoman
8933 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 06:05 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

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Journalist Tuncay Ozkan, who helped organise a series of anti-government protests in 2007, was given a life sentence with an additional 16 years
Mustafa Balbay, a journalist and MP with the main opposition Republican People´s Party (CHP), was sentenced to 34 years and eight months
Lawyer Kemal Kerincsiz, famous for bringing cases against cultural figures accusing them of "anti-Turkishness", was jailed for life
Workers´ Party leader Dogu Perincek, whose party advocates a mixture of socialism and ultra-nationalism, was jailed for life

 

That sounds strange, is this good? Journalists who helped organize anti government protests sentenced for 16 years in prison? 

9.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 07:05 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

That sounds strange, is this good? Journalists who helped organize anti government protests sentenced for 16 years in prison? 

life + 16 year sentence

 

10.       Abla
3648 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 07:15 am

Quote: si++

...that a dangerous terrorist had successfully infiltrated into the military top brass for several years, disguised himself as head of the armed forces...

And why not? How many military coups did you have again?

 

Concerning the convicted journalists and opposition activists I have understood the case has grown into a surrealistic drama.

11.       si++
3785 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 08:42 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

And why not? How many military coups did you have again?

 

Concerning the convicted journalists and opposition activists I have understood the case has grown into a surrealistic drama.

 

Yes why not? If you seriously believe it.

 

I was curious who would believe such an absurd comment. You surprised me Abla. {#emotions_dlg.sad}

12.       Abla
3648 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 08:54 am

I was not insisting si++. I was asking. I do understand the limits of my knowledge.

 

Aside from the ironic choice of words you used the idea of someone planning a coup in Turkey makes sense to me. You explain me why not.

13.       si++
3785 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 10:18 am

 

Quoting Abla

I was not insisting si++. I was asking. I do understand the limits of my knowledge.

 

Aside from the ironic choice of words you used the idea of someone planning a coup in Turkey makes sense to me. You explain me why not.

 

I think it´s a such clear statement that should require no explaination.

 

I will give you a link (in Turkish, I know you can read Turkish text reasonably well) that should give you some insight:

link

14.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 11:03 am

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

That sounds strange, is this good? Journalists who helped organize anti government protests sentenced for 16 years in prison? 

 

Not good at all.

I think there have been serious mistakes during the trials. Apart from everything else, the definition of terrorism acording to Turkish law is very large and with that law, you can accuse anybody as terrorists (btw..this law was made with the pressure from the army!! in 2007)

There are people there in the trial and sentenced, I would never doubt of their guilt. Veli Kucuk/Alpaslan Alpaslan/Kerincsiz etc. These are the people who arranged the killings of many innocent people including Hrant Dink to create a chaos so that the army can intevene again.

But they put people who have never took a rifle in their hands  in jail too. Those journalists are amongs them (though, the accused journalists still could not explain what they were doing in coup meetings. Only M. Balbay said ´he was there on the journalistic purpose´ and he answered as ´I was going to make a book about it´ when he was asked ´then, why you did not write anything about those coup meetings in your newspaper´

 

Basically, the killings of journalists/intellects etc has stopped since the beggining of this trial. But I dont think The justice is served..

More importantly, I dont think thos trial found the roots of Turkeys deep state.

 

A good source and correct interpretetion :

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/08/ergenekon-verdict-turks-misinterpretation.html

 

15.       Abla
3648 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 01:12 pm

Quote: si++

I will give you a link...that should give you some insight:

link

 

Look the picture was much more diverse than the impression I got from your post. Thanks, si++.

 

Unaware of the details I just write a couple of things that came to my mind:

 

1. Being the boss in an organization always means responsibility for the action of the subordinates also. That is what being a leader is all about.

 

2. The Prime Minister has distanced from the court decision which is normal according to  the division between state powers. A sultan could intervene, a politician can not.



Edited (8/8/2013) by Abla

16.       burakk
309 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 01:21 pm

 

Quoting Abla

 

And why not? How many military coups did you have again?

 

Concerning the convicted journalists and opposition activists I have understood the case has grown into a surrealistic drama.

 

then you call them an agent, not a terrorist. the previous coups were done by the officers that were americanists. now rte doing everything for the american favor himself, you should understand the unrealistic connection of coups and ergenekon arrests. if he was seriously against a potential coup he would have to be against america as well.

 

besides if you have 750.000 soldiers at your command you dont feel the need to create terrorist organization.

17.       burakk
309 posts
 08 Aug 2013 Thu 01:39 pm

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