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Syria´s darkest day?chemical weapons?
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10.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 27 Aug 2013 Tue 10:42 am

Adana´da El Nusra operasyonu: 2 kilo sarin gazı bulundu

  

Adana Emniyet Müdürlüğü´nün, Reyhanlı katliamının ardından başlattığı El Kaide ve bu örgütle irtibatlı El Nusra Cephesi´ne yönelik operasyonda gözaltına alınan zanlılara ait adreslerde 2 kilogram da sarin gazı ele geçirildi.

 

30/05/2013

 

http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/adanada_el_nusra_operasyonu_2_kilo_sarin_gazi_bulundu-1135579

11.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Aug 2013 Wed 12:21 am

 

Quoting TurkishSoapFan

In the spirit of democracy, I think that the last word is for the Syrians to decide. It is no other country´s business to call the shots for Syria, Tunisia, Egypt, etc. If Syrians want Assad, which in polls he has proven to have had a 75% majority, then Assad should stay. If they want him out, then out he should go. However, you cannot decide to "revolutionize" an entire country over a small percentage of opposition (that is if the Assad opposition is a small number). In the united states, the presidential elections are always a hair away usually standing right between that 48%-51% margin yet you do not see them throwing around revolutions. Anyway my point is that LET THE CITIZENS DECIDE AND LISTEN TO BOTH SIDES.

 

Of course it should be Syrians to decide. But I would not trust the polls. They can be very fake. Saddam had 101% of votes for example. do you know any real elections in Syria? The answer is there was not and Essad is a pretty much, sheer dictator who does not afraid of killing his own people. His father killed thousands in 1982 in Hama (around 40.00. He will go one way or another.

But there is another side of this coin. What if the ruler is quite ruthless and having serious weapons including chemical ones? (Kaddafi was a great example in this respect as he gabbed the money from oil and hired all those marcenaries from African countries and was able to kill his own people in order to stay in power). What if the ruler is determined to kill all his opposition in order to stay in power? what if the ruler dont hesitate to use chemical weapons? Do you think the entire world should stay and watch? Watch to see all those childeren/civilians getting killed?

I think there should a rapid force give to the UN to use about this type of incidents.

 

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12.       burakk
309 posts
 28 Aug 2013 Wed 02:20 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Of course it should be Syrians to decide. But I would not trust the polls. They can be very fake. Saddam had 101% of votes for example. do you know any real elections in Syria? The answer is there was not and Essad is a pretty much, sheer dictator who does not afraid of killing his own people. His father killed thousands in 1982 in Hama (around 40.00. He will go one way or another.

But there is another side of this coin. What if the ruler is quite ruthless and having serious weapons including chemical ones? (Kaddafi was a great example in this respect as he gabbed the money from oil and hired all those marcenaries from African countries and was able to kill his own people in order to stay in power). What if the ruler is determined to kill all his opposition in order to stay in power? what if the ruler dont hesitate to use chemical weapons? Do you think the entire world should stay and watch? Watch to see all those childeren/civilians getting killed?

I think there should a rapid force give to the UN to use about this type of incidents.

 

 

what if thats the story that we are all made to believe? what if worse things are happening in other countries in the world, what if larger countries have larger innocent body counts in their lateest histories, and nothing is being done about it? what if nothing is being done about other horible terrible stiuations all over the world, but only certain targeted countries are being screwed? for some reason all these dictators and horrible terrible people are being oppressed in such a certain way that it will always benefit usa and britian.

 

http://screechingkettle.blogspot.com/2011/10/putting-todays-wars-in-perspective.html

13.       burakk
309 posts
 28 Aug 2013 Wed 02:23 am

i mean during the iraq war most of us were like "oo saddam the horrible terrible petty dictator! he fucked everyone up! he has chemical weapons as well!" but what happaned? did saddam get assassinated? in the end 1.5 million people died so that they could be "free of saddam dicatatorship". well they got freed alright. he didnt even have chemical weapons. is it so hard to see that this story is looping over and over in the countries that were list-targeted after 9/11?

14.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 31 Aug 2013 Sat 11:11 am

UN inspectors leave Syria as US weighs ´limited act´

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The departure of the UN experts has heightened expectations of a possible international military strike against government forces.

UN officials say it may take weeks to analyse the samples gathered and to present conclusions, and UN spokesperson Martin Nesirky said that the inspectors would return to the country to investigate several other alleged chemical weapons attacks that have taken place during the country´s two-and-a-half year uprising against President Bashar al-Assad.

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"We cannot accept a world where women and children and innocent civilians are gassed on a terrible scale.
 
"The world has an obligation to make sure that we maintain the norm against the use of chemical weapons."

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 But it´s been clear all along that American planning has been based on its own independent intelligence.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23908808

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/201383022471103335.html

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It looks like USA and France are ready to attack without a decision from the UN. That is somehow always be critical and questionable by the world.

15.       burakk
309 posts
 01 Sep 2013 Sun 02:45 pm

 

Revealed: Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after war began

1 Sep 2013 07:21

FURIOUS politicians have demanded Prime Minister David Cameron explain why chemical export licences were granted to firms last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began.

Men search for survivors amid debris of collapsed buildings Men search for survivors amid debris of collapsed buildings
REUTERS/Nour Fourat

BRITAIN allowed firms to sell chemicals to Syria capable of being used to make nerve gas, the Sunday Mail can reveal today.

Export licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride were granted months after the bloody civil war in the Middle East began.

The chemical is capable of being used to make weapons such as sarin, thought to be the nerve gas used in the attack on a rebel-held Damascus suburb which killed nearly 1500 people, including 426 children, 10 days ago.

President Bashar Assad’s forces have been blamed for the attack, leading to calls for an armed response from the West.

British MPs voted against joining America in a strike. But last night, President Barack Obama said he will seek the approval of Congress to take military action.

The chemical export licences were granted by Business Secretary Vince Cable’s Department for Business, Innovation and Skills last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began.

They were only revoked six months later, when the European Union imposed tough sanctions on Assad’s regime.

Yesterday, politicians and anti-arms trade campaigners urged Prime Minister David Cameron to explain why the licences were granted.

Dunfermline and West Fife Labour MP Thomas Docherty, who sits on the House of Commons’ Committees on Arms Export Controls, plans to lodge Parliamentary questions tomorrow and write to Cable.

He said: “At best it has been negligent and at worst reckless to export material that could have been used to create chemical weapons.

“MPs will be horrified and furious that the UK Government has been allowing the sale of these ingredients to Syria.

“What the hell were they doing granting a licence in the first place?

“I would like to know what investigations have been carried out to establish if any of this
material exported to Syria was subsequently used in the attacks on its own people.”

The SNP’s leader at Westminster, Angus Robertson MP, said: “I will be raising this in Parliament as soon as possible to find out what examination the UK Government made of where these chemicals were going and what they were to be used for.

“Approving the sale of chemicals which can be converted into lethal weapons during a civil war is a very serious issue.

“We need to know who these chemicals were sold to, why they were sold, and whether the UK Government were aware that the chemicals could potentially be used for chemical weapons.

“The ongoing humanitarian crisis in Syria makes a full explanation around these shady deals even more important.”

 

A man holds the body of a dead child A man holds the body of a dead child
Reuters
 

Mark Bitel of the Campaign Against Arms Trade (Scotland) said: “The UK Government claims to have an ethical policy on arms exports, but when it comes down to practice the reality is very different.

“The Government is hypocritical to talk about chemical weapons if it’s granting licences to companies to export to regimes such as Syria.

“We saw David Cameron, in the wake of the Arab Spring, rushing off to the Middle East with arms companies to promote business.”

Some details emerged in July of the UK’s sale of the chemicals to Syria but the crucial dates of the exports were withheld.

The Government have refused to identify the licence holders or say whether the licences were issued to one or two companies.

The chemicals are in powder form and highly toxic. The licences specified that they should be used for making aluminium structures such as window frames.

Professor Alastair Hay, an expert in environmental toxicology at Leeds University, said: “They have a variety of industrial uses.

“But when you’re making a nerve agent, you attach a fluoride element and that’s what gives it
its toxic properties.

“Fluoride is key to making these munitions.

“Whether these elements were used by Syria to make nerve agents is something only subsequent investigation will reveal.”

The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills said: “The UK Government operates one of the most rigorous arms export control regimes in the world.

“An export licence would not be granted where we assess there is a clear risk the goods might be used for internal repression, provoke or prolong conflict within a country, be used aggressively against another country or risk our national security.

“When circumstances change or new information comes to light, we can – and do – revoke licences where the proposed export is no longer consistent with the criteria.”

Assad’s regime have denied blame for the nerve gas attack, saying the accusations are “full of lies”. They have pointed the finger at rebels.

UN weapons inspectors investigating the atrocity left Damascus just before dawn yesterday and crossed into Lebanon after gathering evidence for four days.

They are now travelling to the Dutch HQ of the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons.

It could take up to two weeks for the results of tests on samples taken from victims of the attack, as well as from water, soil and shrapnel, to be revealed.

On Thursday night, Cameron referred to a Joint Intelligence Committee report on Assad’s use of chemical weapons as he tried in vain to persuade MPs to back military action. The report said the regime had used chemical weapons at least 14 times since last year.

Russian president Vladimir Putin yesterday attacked America’s stance and urged Obama to show evidence to the UN that Assad’s regime was guilty.

Russia and Iran are Syria’s staunchest allies. The Russians have given arms and military backing to Assad during the civil war which has claimed more than 100,000 lives.

Putin said it would be “utter nonsense” for Syria to provoke opponents and spark military
retaliation from the West by using chemical weapons.

But the White House, backed by the French government, remain convinced of Assad’s guilt, and Obama proposes “limited, narrow” military action to punish the regime.

He has the power to order a strike, but last night said he would seek approval from Congress.

Obama called the chemical attack “an assault on human dignity” and said: “We are prepared to strike whenever we choose.”

He added: “Our capacity to execute this mission is not time-sensitive. It will be effective tomorrow, or next week, or one month from now.

“And I’m prepared to give that order.”

Some fear an attack on Syria will spark retaliation against US allies in the region, such
as Jordan, Turkey and Israel.

General Lord Dannatt, the former head of the British Army, described the Commons vote as a “victory for common sense and democracy”.

He added that the “drumbeat for war” had dwindled among the British public in recent days.

16.       Abla
3648 posts
 01 Sep 2013 Sun 09:54 pm

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17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Sep 2013 Tue 11:17 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

I don t think anybody wants any war anywhere in the world.

But saying that ´I dont war any war´ and being passive, or saying that I am impartial is not the answer. Because that behaviour tends to make ruthless oppressive regimes being more oppressive and freely  killing of their own people(We all saw it with Saddam, Darfur, Rwanda and Srebrenitsa) 

I dont think there is an easy answer unfortunately..

18.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 03 Sep 2013 Tue 11:24 am

Trust threatened oppressed  innocent civil people to the care of Dutch Army.

R.I.P  !

19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 03 Sep 2013 Tue 03:32 pm

Syria crisis: UN says more than 2m have fled

More than two million Syrians are now registered as refugees, after the total went up by a million in the last six months, the UN´s refugee agency says.
More Syrians are now displaced than any other nationality, says the UNHCR. 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23937972

 

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This is the result of a dictator clinging to power

20.       Kelowna
375 posts
 03 Sep 2013 Tue 05:09 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I don t think anybody wants any war anywhere in the world.

But saying that ´I dont war any war´ and being passive, or saying that I am impartial is not the answer. Because that behaviour tends to make ruthless oppressive regimes being more oppressive and freely  killing of their own people(We all saw it with Saddam, Darfur, Rwanda and Srebrenitsa) 

I dont think there is an easy answer unfortunately..

Do you honestly think that  what you do - posting on TC  actually made a difference to the last 10 people who just died in Syria. The UN and USA  are watching TC for all your bright ideas. Tell you what , if you really want to make a difference and be active . I will personally pay for your plane ticket to Syria and you can shout your  ideas from the street. Have a nice day

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