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You have a murderer in your tribe!
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:11 pm |
no need for association. the entire armenian foreign polciy is based upon foreign gangster assassinations and whining about the genocide mythology
Actually, I was not talking about Armenians at all. lol
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:11 pm |
What do you think he said?Can you tell me a few of those stuff you are talking about?
You are trying to prove that he deserved.
That is what the original article was about in the first place and you are proving that.
This case is very simple.
A journalist being killed with the help of state organizations..
This is a cold bloded murder.
We should all try to find his killers to clean the state of Turkey.
Otherwise this is sticking to us and defaming our country.
clean turkey in the eyes of what? eu? that will never happen. i hope one day you see the real picture.
i already said hes innocent. dont bend my words.
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:15 pm |
clean turkey in the eyes of what? eu? that will never happen. i hope one day you see the real picture.
i already said hes innocent. dont bend my words.
Well I dont want my people to feel the shame of these murderers anymore.
I dont want these murderers to defame my country any longer.
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:31 pm |
Shall I tell you the truth?
I don´t always want to write about ´Armenians´ Because it is a state of being unhealthy It is making readers tired as well the writer I want to say "I know there are some other things in life" Different things Ordinary people´s lives. other politics, other lives, other truths.. But I can not do it in these days..Please understand Hrant Dink trial has started and again, we should look not tired. We have start going to the courts again We should show ourselves straight in TVs and ask for justice. We have to make strong noises for the memory of our brother Hrant Dink who was taken away from us, as if 7 years did not pass, as if we were not ridiculed, as if we are not worried about our lives. As Markar said we have to be ´the truth tellers´ What is the truth? We were the guest in SKY360 channel in Hilmi Hacaloğlu´s program Me, Ismail Sayma from Radikal and two more guests We were going to talk about the details of restart of the Dink´s murder case which was returned back for retrial from the supreme court we talked Normally two different opinions are discussed in these type of program But what can those two opinions be in this murder? are there two different sides of this murder in which the state with all its establishments has taken part? There was apparently. There were your police, their gendarme, others intelligence officer, apparently. No body could stop the murderer who run away by shouting ´I have killed and Armenian´ but because of the conjuncture, there are some unhappy people today. That is what I was told. Shall I tell you the truth. This is a murder with national agreement There is nothing to be silent, do tell. You have a murderer in your tribe The climate who murdered Hrant is our latest result. This is our routine The picture we see after 7 years of this murder is our towns secret. Murderers are ´our boys´ You have to understand them They have nationalistic and conservative sensitivities. They can kill because of that sensitivity Shall I tell you the truth Down with your sensitivities (I wish your sensitivities go to the bottom of earth) We are being killed. sensitivity is ours. we are tired. silence is yours. Some are looking at the life from the side of murderers and some from the murdered. Some are "sensitive" some are "dead" on this land. You have a murderer in your tribe. Say ´NO´. Say ´that is enough´. If you ask me we have two sentences can we talk about this? Ismail saymaz is under heavy threat since he explained all these. Don´t be the part of that great silence. do tell. did not you say that the truth would make us free? Then why are we feeling trapped in a much bigger desperation? Shall I tell you the truth? with each day in trial you are making the circle bigger, the circle which we united to break In fact you are doing this with a bigger silence. But don´t forget, you are making a case of a tyrant nation nor the wounds are healing as long as you are silent and you turn blind eye. Shall I tell you the truth? You have a murderer in your tribe!
This is a straight translation of a column:
http://www.taraf.com.tr/hayko-bagdat/makale-gercegi-soyleyeyim-mi.htm
The writer is Hayko Bagdat. An Armenian, living in Istanbul.
Well done Agop, great effort (to take your time to translate it all)!
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:41 pm |
"Türk"ten boşalacak o zehirli kanın yerini dolduracak temiz kan, Ermeni´nin Ermenistan´la kuracağı asil damarında mevcuttur." - Hrant Dink
Translation:
"replace the poisoned blood associated with the Turk, with fresh blood associated with Armenia" - Hrant Dink
This is utmost racist, would you agree, Agop?
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:43 pm |
Well done Agop, great effort (to take your time to translate it all)!
lol.
You are thinking that "calling a Turkish person with Armenian name is an insult".
You are trying to insult a Turk by calling that Turk with an armenian name.
That is RACISM.
Then you get upset!!
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:53 pm |
lol.
You are thinking that "calling a Turkish person with Armenian name is an insult".
You are trying to insult a Turk by calling that Turk with an armenian name.
That is RACISM.
Then you get upset!!
Don´t take it as an insult. It can only be a metaphore at worst. That´s not my intention at all, honestly.
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 06:56 pm |
"Türk"ten boşalacak o zehirli kanın yerini dolduracak temiz kan, Ermeni´nin Ermenistan´la kuracağı asil damarında mevcuttur." - Hrant Dink
Translation:
"replace the poisoned blood associated with the Turk, with fresh blood associated with Armenia" - Hrant Dink
This is utmost racist, would you agree, Agop?
Read it from here : http://baskinoran.com/belge/ErmeniKimligiUzerine-HrantDink.pdf
This is picking something out of its context and even the most racist Turks accepted that they MISUNDERSTOOD his statement.
If you read the articles in above link (start with page 13.) you will see he explained a great length of how ´Armenians defining themselves with the existing of Turks and what happened in the history. Armenians mind is fixed to the TURKS. Hrant Dink thinks that Armenian should get on with their lives and dont let history or Turks interfere with it. This interference is poisining their blood!!! He says that ´get rid of that poison from your blood´.
clear?
Plus, he was not a racist person at all..
Edited (9/21/2013) by thehandsom
Edited (9/21/2013) by thehandsom
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 07:07 pm |
Read it from here : http://baskinoran.com/belge/ErmeniKimligiUzerine-HrantDink.pdf
This is picking something out of its context and even the most racist Turks accepted that they MISUNDERSTOOD his statement.
If you read the articles in above link (start with page 13.) you will see he explained a great length of how ´Armenians defining themselves with the existing of Turks and what happened in the history. Armenians mind is fixed to the TURKS. Hrant Dink thinks that Armenian should get on with their lives and dont let history or Turks interfere with it. This interference is poisining their blood!!! He says that ´get rid of that poison from your blood´.
Dont you get it?
Plus, he was not a racist person at all..
I didn´t use the word "person". Don´t twist the words.
With or without context, it´s not a nice statement. Yaeh usually when you say somethibg like that, you excuse yourself with the help of the context but still it´s an ill-intent playing with words that way. Beside the court didn´t excuse him for it and he was founded guilty because of it, right?
And still you didn´t answer my question. You sound like you are utmost over-sensitive about racism. But you throw the ball to the outside.
It´s utmost racist, right?
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 08:01 pm |
Well I dont want my people to feel the shame of these murderers anymore.
I dont want these murderers to defame my country any longer.
these are not reasons for defaming. these are excuses for anti-turkish, anti-Muslim policies. none other genocide-guilty country in the world receives this kind trash treatment and physical oppression. this genocide ideology caused the deaths of countless turkish people, used as an excuse for many things, from the support of pkk against turkey to the justification of mavi marmara, asala, khojali and many other crap. world is ready to kill the turk for the simpliest of excuses. world is ready to kill anyone for gas and oil, and even more ready to find a fitting "kılıf" for it. this has nothing to do with armenian genocide.
heres another example of this.
whining about armenian genocide is like this; you go into someones house with daggers and guns and start killing them, but one of the people in there manages to beat you up and then you run out of the house and sue that guy for beating you up.
and of course the gangs in the neighborhood who never liked that guy to begin with will side with you in everything, and the gangs that dont like you will side with that guy. dont look at the side-taking of these other people to make judgements.
Edited (9/21/2013) by burakk
Edited (9/21/2013) by burakk
Edited (9/21/2013) by burakk
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21 Sep 2013 Sat 09:18 pm |
these are not reasons for defaming. these are excuses for anti-turkish, anti-Muslim policies. none other genocide-guilty country in the world receives this kind trash treatment and physical oppression. this genocide ideology caused the deaths of countless turkish people, used as an excuse for many things, from the support of pkk against turkey to the justification of mavi marmara, asala, khojali and many other crap. world is ready to kill the turk for the simpliest of excuses. world is ready to kill anyone for gas and oil, and even more ready to find a fitting "kılıf" for it. this has nothing to do with armenian genocide.
heres another example of this.
whining about armenian genocide is like this; you go into someones house with daggers and guns and start killing them, but one of the people in there manages to beat you up and then you run out of the house and sue that guy for beating you up.
and of course the gangs in the neighborhood who never liked that guy to begin with will side with you in everything, and the gangs that dont like you will side with that guy. dont look at the side-taking of these other people to make judgements.
I think you completely misunderstood the article.
This article I translated is about Hrant Dink!!.
But you trust me, no one is outside in a queue to kill Turks. And Hrant Dink was defininately not out to kill anybody.
Such a shame that Turkish racists killed him with the help of state deparments.
And this act is still supported..
The guy who wrote the article was right: Murderers are our boys. As long as people support them they will defame the entire country.
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