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Kurds and hate crimes (and others like Armenians, Sirbians, Greeks etc)
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 10:53 am

Ethnicity, sexual orientation excluded in hate crime

A draft presented to the Cabinet concerning hate crimes does not include provisions for those targeted because of their sexual orientation or ethnic identity.
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However, hate and prejudice crimes are defined in the draft as “crimes committed based on someone’s or some group’s language, race, nationality, skin color, gender, disability, political views, philosophical beliefs or religion,” excluding those based on ethnicity and sexual orientation, different to many European countries.

With the exclusion of ethnicity as a characteristic that could be basis of a hate crime, assaults against ethnic minorities in Turkey that don’t have a nation recognized by the United Nations would be charged with a regular punishment. For example, if an Armenian person in Turkey is targeted for being an Armenian, the crime committed against them will be regarded as a hate crime and whatever the crime is, its penalty would be aggravated.

On the hand, the largest ethnic minority in Turkey, Kurds, is not included in the regulation, as it does not have a U.N.-recognized country.

Although gender is included, the same is true for gays and lesbians, as attacking a person based on their sexual orientation is not regarded as a hate or prejudice crime, according to the draft.

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“A hate crime is a crime that is intolerance towards a certain group within society. A protected characteristic is a fundamental or core characteristic that is shared by a group, such as ‘race,’ religion, ethnicity, language or sexual orientation,” the institution states on its website.

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Although most of the unveiled reforms have been hailed, some find the promises insufficient and accuse the government of lacking willingness to target the real issues facing Turkey.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ethnicity-sexual-orientation-excluded-in-hate-crime-draft-presented-to-turkish-cabinet.aspx?pageID=238&nID=56925&NewsCatID=339
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Even though, there seems to be  a legal escape from hate crimes when targeting the Kurds for being Kurds, racists can be brought to justice when they target UN recognized nations such as Armenians/Serbians/Greeks etc.  (´some´ should be more careful!!!    )
However it is better than before but not enough.



Edited (10/28/2013) by thehandsom

2.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 11:21 am

However it is better than before but not enough.

Agop the Türk

 

Even a law that makes Kurdish racism and sexual perversion free will not enough.

They should both be obligatory ! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 11:38 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

However it is better than before but not enough.

Agop the Türk

 

Even a law that makes Kurdish racism and sexual perversion free will not enough.

They should both be obligatory ! {#emotions_dlg.lol_fast}

 

No Justification whatsoever about racism..

Racism has to go.

I would highly recommend to stick a new motto : ´All racists of the world, unite´. lol

 

 

4.       Kelowna
375 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 06:06 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

No Justification whatsoever about racism..

Racism has to go.

I would highly recommend to stick a new motto : ´All racists of the world, unite´. lol

 

 

 

I guess you will be part of that group also

 

You shouldn´t fight fire with fire, you should use water to fight fire.


First you can´t fight racism by screaming racism. People who are constantly screaming the racism card for every issue thinking they are some sort of righteous  intellectual, might want to rethink their actions. Sometimes "racism " isn´t the right word to describe a persons behaviour. When you scream racism , first and foremost you put your opponent on the defensive. Secondly if you continue to use for every rant it gets a little boring and redundant. You are basically trying to sterotype everyones behaviour under one word and that is incorrect. What is basically happening here is you are over using the word constantly to the point that  the word has lost its currency when you scream it and just becomes an annoyance showing you are overreacting in these situations and can not actually bring any value to the table. I don´t understand how someone can post so many tacky sexual inuendos ( which they think are seemingly harmless and funny in the off topic colums and at the same time scream racism on all other issues. ) I think he shows his own form of racism against females in the off topic colums and when I read them I scream you racist pig you show you are a woman demoralizing hating freak! You need to rethink how you think! If someone took the time to look at all your posts, they would understand that your  thoughts and ideas are miscontrued.  The End

 



Edited (10/28/2013) by Kelowna

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5.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 06:17 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

 

 

I guess you will be part of that group also

 

You shouldn´t fight fire with fire, you should use water to fight fire.


First you can´t fight racism by screaming racism. People who are constantly screaming the racism card for every issue thinking they are some sort of righteous  intellectual, might want to rethink their actions. Sometimes "racism " isn´t the right word to describe a persons behaviour. When you scream racism , first and foremost you put your opponent on the defensive. Secondly if you continue to use for every rant it gets a little boring and redundant. You are basically trying to sterotype everyones behaviour under one word and that is incorrect. What is basically happening here is you are over using the word constantly to the point that  the word has lost its currency when you scream it and just becomes an annoyance showing you are overreacting in these situations and can not actually bring any value to the table. I don´t understand how someone can post so many tacky sexual inuendos ( which they think are seemingly harmless and funny in the off topic colums and at the same time scream racism on all other issues. ) I think he shows his own form of racism against females in the off topic colums and when I read them I scream you racist pig you show you are a woman demoralizing hating freak! You need to rethink how you think! If someone took the time to look at all your posts, they would understand that your  thoughts and ideas are miscontrued.  The End

 

 

K.O. Great answer.



Edited (10/28/2013) by gokuyum
Edited (10/28/2013) by gokuyum
Edited (10/28/2013) by gokuyum

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 06:41 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

 

 

I guess you will be part of that group also

 

You shouldn´t fight fire with fire, you should use water to fight fire.


First you can´t fight racism by screaming racism. People who are constantly screaming the racism card for every issue thinking they are some sort of righteous  intellectual, might want to rethink their actions. Sometimes "racism " isn´t the right word to describe a persons behaviour. When you scream racism , first and foremost you put your opponent on the defensive. Secondly if you continue to use for every rant it gets a little boring and redundant. You are basically trying to sterotype everyones behaviour under one word and that is incorrect. What is basically happening here is you are over using the word constantly to the point that  the word has lost its currency when you scream it and just becomes an annoyance showing you are overreacting in these situations and can not actually bring any value to the table. I don´t understand how someone can post so many tacky sexual inuendos ( which they think are seemingly harmless and funny in the off topic colums and at the same time scream racism on all other issues. ) I think he shows his own form of racism against females in the off topic colums and when I read them I scream you racist pig you show you are a woman demoralizing hating freak! You need to rethink how you think! If someone took the time to look at all your posts, they would understand that your  thoughts and ideas are miscontrued.  The End

 

 

I think you are over analyzing me!! -Still not sure why!!-

Though people might think it is flattering, but not for me. 

I am not sure if I am over using the word racism.  These are the people kind of waves banana to black people in football matches.  If you dont say they are racist, I will call them racist. 

 

That is the bottom line!!

Just for the record. I have never been  a racist person. Never hated women, never demoralized any women intentionally.  

In the end that is  a quite  ugly remark to make and that belongs to you..  

 

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 06:45 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

K.O. Great answer.

 

Lol..

I completely agree.. Insipiring, encouraging for some!!!!

8.       Kelowna
375 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 08:07 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think you are over analyzing me!! -Still not sure why!!-

there is not much to analyze so I did not bother to over analyze, your behaviour is already textbook .....................

Though people might think it is flattering, but not for me.

your egoism again is wrong it has nothing to do with flattery

I am not sure if I am over using the word racism.  

I would estimate that more than 60% of your rants are about  racism conflict in one way or another. Another 20 %  of imput from you are rude lude cartoons or headlines that support hatred and demoralizing of the female gender through sexist cartoons or headlines.

These are the people kind of waves banana to black people in football matches.  If you dont say they are racist, I will call them racist. 

Really shame on you for justifying your idiosyncrasy with such a retarded  off topic example of stupidity.

 

That is the bottom line!!

You just hit rock bottom with the above example and this  clearly shows you have either been misinform somewhere or some time in your life for you scream this for every issue that you can not either comprehend.

Just for the record. I have never been  a racist person.Never hated women, never demoralized any women intentionally. 

 I don´t know if you are racist and I never implied you were, but I do acknowledge that you over use the word in general . I understand by the results of your posts that you don´t respect woman and find it amusing to use your so called harmless inuendos to hide this. Again this is textbook behaviour of ..................

In the end that is  a quite  ugly remark to make and that belongs to you..

I have made no ugly remark yet....

 

 

 

9.       burakk
309 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 08:12 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

 

 

I guess you will be part of that group also

 

You shouldn´t fight fire with fire, you should use water to fight fire.


First you can´t fight racism by screaming racism. People who are constantly screaming the racism card for every issue thinking they are some sort of righteous  intellectual, might want to rethink their actions. Sometimes "racism " isn´t the right word to describe a persons behaviour. When you scream racism , first and foremost you put your opponent on the defensive. Secondly if you continue to use for every rant it gets a little boring and redundant. You are basically trying to sterotype everyones behaviour under one word and that is incorrect. What is basically happening here is you are over using the word constantly to the point that  the word has lost its currency when you scream it and just becomes an annoyance showing you are overreacting in these situations and can not actually bring any value to the table. I don´t understand how someone can post so many tacky sexual inuendos ( which they think are seemingly harmless and funny in the off topic colums and at the same time scream racism on all other issues. ) I think he shows his own form of racism against females in the off topic colums and when I read them I scream you racist pig you show you are a woman demoralizing hating freak! You need to rethink how you think! If someone took the time to look at all your posts, they would understand that your  thoughts and ideas are miscontrued.  The End

 

 

this pretty much explains the whole thing

10.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Oct 2013 Mon 11:08 pm

 

Quoting Kelowna

I think you are over analyzing me!! -Still not sure why!!-

there is not much to analyze so I did not bother to over analyze, your behaviour is already textbook .....................

Though people might think it is flattering, but not for me.

your egoism again is wrong it has nothing to do with flattery

I am not sure if I am over using the word racism.  

I would estimate that more than 60% of your rants are about  racism conflict in one way or another. Another 20 %  of imput from you are rude lude cartoons or headlines that support hatred and demoralizing of the female gender through sexist cartoons or headlines.

These are the people kind of waves banana to black people in football matches.  If you dont say they are racist, I will call them racist. 

Really shame on you for justifying your idiosyncrasy with such a retarded  off topic example of stupidity.

 

That is the bottom line!!

You just hit rock bottom with the above example and this  clearly shows you have either been misinform somewhere or some time in your life for you scream this for every issue that you can not either comprehend.

Just for the record. I have never been  a racist person.Never hated women, never demoralized any women intentionally. 

 I don´t know if you are racist and I never implied you were, but I do acknowledge that you over use the word in general . I understand by the results of your posts that you don´t respect woman and find it amusing to use your so called harmless inuendos to hide this. Again this is textbook behaviour of ..................

In the end that is  a quite  ugly remark to make and that belongs to you..

I have made no ugly remark yet....

 

 

 

I think we should stop here.


You remarks were quite ugly!!


You are saying something you can NOT prove.. You are writing something You will never be able to prove.. You can not prove from my posts that I hate women or I insult women or I dont respect women. In fact, quite the opposite and possibly I am the last person who should be accused of those things!! 


You dont have a deep knowledge of Turks and the Turkish culture. Your limited knowledge about Turkish  is just quite superficial. You have no idea about the level of racism here when calling a Turk with an Armenian name!! You have no idea about the history of it!! You have no idea how we all brought up with this hatred, you have no idea how we thought insulting other nations -starting with Armenians- is normal!! -Calling a Turk with an Armenian name to insult him is like waving the bananas for black players in football matches!! (infact it happened in some matches in Turkey and they were very pathetic when they were trying to defend themselves). That is a white man calling another white man a negro to insult him when talking about rights of black people or equality of the races. Think of that arrogance and the level of racism of that white man who always sweared at negros in his entire life and thought that it is a normal thing to do.-

I really think you should stop there and dont try to strike an argument about the subjects in which, you dont have the full knowledge.

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