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A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?
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10.       burakk
309 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 02:14 pm

more from the same ballad:

 

 

fakat; ne yapayım savaşsız?
düşman çıkmıyor dışarı.

 

bugün de düşmanlar bizden korkuyor.
barudun kokusu,
düştü burnuma.
dört bir yana istiyorum,
dibinden patlayayım.

 

tutmak istiyorum,
kürdistanımı…

 

sobar, nayrî ve mitanlar biziz!

 

bazısı da acı çektirenleri sıpası olmuş.

 

kürdistanı düşmanlara satmışlar onlar…
mezhepçi olmuşlar,
dinci olmuşlar.
gerici olmuşlar, tesbihli ve çubuklu.

 

dünyaya bir kez
bildirmeliyiz
marks’ın yolunu
lenin’in yolunu (president tolerates these communists but cant take redhack or other red groups?)

 


kan içici değiliz biz! barışseveriz biz!
büyük komutan ve yiğidiz her zaman! (self contradiction. good signs of peace etc though, as opposed to the previous violent calls)

 

kardeşlik diyoruz; fakat onlar kabul etmiyor.
tilki gibi olmuşlar

 

insanlık istemiyorlar.
saldırın ve tutun!
kemiklerini kırın
o pislik iğrençleri
içimizden çıkartın..
insanlar için biz tümden dost ve yâr!
yaşasın kürdistan, kahrolsun kölelik!
kimiz biz?

 

 

 

 

tell me romeo, you are so against racism, what does this ballad contain the elements of?

 

 

11.       burakk
309 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 02:19 pm

as a nationalist im not trying to fool you or fill you with false information. im trying to wake you up. being against pkk is not being racist. thats eu style benefactorial neutralism. selective equality. being against pkk is not being anti-kurdish. on the contrary, pkk killed most kurds in this country. being agains pkk is about protecting yourself. yes you dont live here, your friends dont die inside burning busses molotoved by these pigs, you dont hear the news of soldier families getting butchered in their homes. you just sit in your wherver and type "no racism no ((" being completely oblivious to the real world.

12.       si++
3785 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 03:11 pm

 

Quoting burakk

tell me romeo, you are so against racism, what does this ballad contain the elements of?

 

 

 

This guy is hypocrit. If he thinks it may be something from Türks then he jumps on it and starts repeating (spitting actually) the same stuff against them. But if it from somewhere else he tries to show their innocense instead. A default behaviour of his.

 

Man,

It´s utmost racist and this guy cannot accept it. What is racism by the way? Is there a different definition that we don´t know of but he does?

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13.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 03:35 pm

Sivan Perwer´in türküsünü anladım;bu adamın tek düşmanı Türkler olmalı.

Bizim Başbakan da ya Kürtçeyi bilmiyor, yada anlamadığı türküye ağlamamayı.

 

Yine de hoş geldin Sivan, düşman vatandaşlar bile memleketinde gerek.    {#emotions_dlg.alcoholics}

 

PS: No wonder Agop is happy !



Edited (11/18/2013) by AlphaF

14.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 09:47 pm

Oh my, how you jump to the most outlandish interpretation. Nation, to World One World Order....? {#emotions_dlg.head_bang}

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I am not sure what you mean but I can tell you one thing that all nationalist ideas ultimate goal is a totolitarian regime and if given a chance, they wont hesitate to create ´one world order´ under their nationalistic umbrella.

 

 

15.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 19 Nov 2013 Tue 09:23 am

YAZISIZ !

 

16.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 19 Nov 2013 Tue 10:44 am

..We have to admit that some of the scenes we witnessed would be unthinkable a decade ago.

.. was an investment made by Erdoğan for next year’s local elections and the general elections in 2015.


One cannot help thinking what would have happened if these taboos had been overcome 15 years ago. Had that happened many deaths and serious human rights violations would have been avoided. Seeing as oppression begets terrorism, a fact proved time and again sociologically and historically, the PKK would not have made such headway too.
 
..has managed to breakdown age-old taboos without a major reaction from the public, there is much that those who cling to these taboos, and cannot digest the scenes we witness in Diyarbakir, have to re-evaluate.

.. his “Kurdish, Turkish, Zaza and Arab brothers” and said “this republic is also yours. This state is yours also” and continued thus:

“From now on no one can look down on another person. No one can treat someone else as a second-class citizen. No culture and identity can be denied. There can be no discrimination, vilification, denial and assimilation in the new Turkey, and there will not be.”

These remarks deserve applause. But many are wondering if these promises will remain only in word, ..

This republic is of course all of ours. But when we say “all of ours” it is not sufficient to just refer to citizens of Kurdish, Turkish or Arab origin. The republic also belongs to those who think and believe differently, who do not want interference in their lifestyles, in other words those who had opposed discrimination, vilification and attempted to assimilate based on a religious understanding of morality.

The Kurdish problem may be Turkey’s bleeding wound, but we see on a daily bases that this is not the only issue that is disrupting social peace and stability in this country.
source:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-should-not-forget-this.aspx?pageID=449&nID=58122&NewsCatID=416

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I agree with most of things the writer has written.

It is time for people to re-evaluate why they are still clinging the old taboos and unable to digest what they have seen in Diyarbakir. We have not seen deaths of people since breaking these taboos and talking about the peace. Yes, we could have avoided all those deads and human rights abuses if we were able to look at this issue from a different window rather than trying to make them Turks with stick.

17.       burakk
309 posts
 19 Nov 2013 Tue 07:23 pm

fast change doesnt always mean "taken a lot of steps" brother. one can fastly drive down the hill too.

 

kurdish people have suffered most from this whole poitical mishmash. for every turkish person killed, 10 kurdish person has died. remember the paris murders. this recent political rundown will also result in their suffering anyway. imagine, even if kurdistan became real, what will it do? again the "east", again the elitism against the east, again the polarization, again the push-away, again the poverty, again the cultural non-acceptence. no, this is all about american oil politics nothing else. there are 80 different ethnic roots in turkey, around 70 of them being turkic. if we were to celebrate the "identitiy" of every single ethnic group in the world, this place would become hunting grounds.

 

18.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 20 Nov 2013 Wed 12:38 pm

The word “Kurdistan,”

An important detail, and a first, was that Erdogan used the word “Kurdistan,” in reference to the KRG. That is crucial, because many Turks, who are fearful of a would-be Kurdistan inside Turkey, cannot accept there is already a Kurdistan on the other side of the Iraqi border. 

...

The presence of Sivan Perwer, a popular Kurdish singer who has been living in Europe for more than three decades due to the ban on his songs in his home country, Turkey, was also symbolically important. His songs are known to have inspired many Kurdish youngsters who joined the “guerrillas.”

His return to Turkey, and his support for peace, might encourage the same youngsters to leave arms.

...

All in all, the Diyarbakir meeting underlined the great transformation in Turkey relating to the Kurds: Ankara, which for decades saw all Kurds, in Turkey or abroad, as a problem, is now willing to see them as an asset.  

..

source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-turko-kurdish-axis.aspx?pageID=449&nID=58183&NewsCatID=411

 

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