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1.       Silvis
23 posts
 17 Apr 2014 Thu 11:35 pm

Selam

 

I wanna know about (ise) ??

thankx in advance =D

2.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 18 Apr 2014 Fri 12:06 am

"ise" is like "if" in english. we have a word "eğer" meaning "if" but it isn´t really recessary, only ise -se/-sa enough.

if you want to write/say "ise" seperately, you use "ise"; if you want to add it to a verb, you use -se or -sa.

çalışırsam geçerim. : if i study, i will pass (the exam.)

çalışır isem geçerim. : same meaning

eğer çalışırsam geçerim. : same meaning

 

yağmur yağarsa ıslanırız.
yağmur yağar ise ıslanırız.
eğer yağmur yağar ise ıslanırız.

if it rains, we´ll get wet. all 3 same...

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3.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 18 Apr 2014 Fri 12:10 am

ise-m
ise-n
ise

ise-k
ise-niz
-ler ise

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4.       tunci
7149 posts
 18 Apr 2014 Fri 02:51 am

 

 

1. Conditional "ise" ---> it is written seperately with verbs but this  is not very common usage. Instead, people tend to attach it onto verbs. 


Yağmur yağar ise şemsiyeni al.

If it rains take your umbrella.

 

 * When it is attached to a verb/word, "i" is not added.

Yağmur yağarsa şemsiyeni al.

 

* With words ;

Bir kız güzel ise kolaylıkla koca bulur.

If a girl is beautiful she could find a husband easily.

 

Bir kız güzelse kolaylıkla koca bulur.

 

Suffix for conditional mood -SA [SE],

 In old Turkish that suffix was in -sar, -ser form. Later , "r" dropped and we are left with-sa,-se and it was started to be used for  two moods [ optative and conditional]

 Because , two moods are expressed with the same morpheme,  this suffix seemed to have doubled functionally and called as  " optative-conditional suffix " [ Dilek-Şart eki ] in language books. 

 

2. Conjunction "ise"  ----> This " ise " is used for the functions of " comparison" and "contradistinction".


- Onlar yukarıda, biz ise aşağıdaydık. ---> They were upstairs but we were downstairs.

upstairs X downstairs  ----> contradistinction


- Evin içi sıcak dışarısı ise soğuktu. ---> Inside the house is warm but the outside was cold. 

Comparing "inside the house" with "outside the house "

 

- Berkant sudan korkar, Ali ise çok iyi yüzücüdür.

Berkant is afraid of water whereas Ali is a very good swimmer.

Comparing Berkant and Ali. 

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5.       GulBahar
224 posts
 21 Apr 2014 Mon 07:13 pm

 

Quoting tunci



1. Conditional "ise" ---> it is written seperately with verbs but this  is not very common usage. Instead, people tend to attach it onto verbs. 


Yağmur yağar ise şemsiyeni al.

If it rains take your umbrella.


 * When it is attached to a verb/word, "i" is not added.

Yağmur yağarsa şemsiyeni al.


* With words ;

Bir kız güzel ise kolaylıkla koca bulur.

If a girl is beautiful she could find a husband easily.


Bir kız güzelse kolaylıkla koca bulur.


Suffix for conditional mood -SA [SE],

 In old Turkish that suffix was in -sar, -ser form. Later , "r" dropped and we are left with-sa,-se and it was started to be used for  two moods [ optative and conditional]

 Because , two moods are expressed with the same morpheme,  this suffix seemed to have doubled functionally and called as  " optative-conditional suffix " [ Dilek-Şart eki ] in language books. 


2. Conjunction "ise"  ----> This " ise " is used for the functions of " comparison" and "contradistinction".


- Onlar yukarıda, biz ise aşağıdaydık. ---> They were upstairs but we were downstairs.

upstairs X downstairs  ----> contradistinction


- Evin içi sıcak dışarısı ise soğuktu. ---> Inside the house is warm but the outside was cold. 

Comparing "inside the house" with "outside the house "


- Berkant sudan korkar, Ali ise çok iyi yüzücüdür.

Berkant is afraid of water whereas Ali is a very good swimmer.

Comparing Berkant and Ali. 


 Çok çok teşekkür ederiz Hoca Tunci for the little lessons and tests you post every now and then.  And I´ll be grateful if you post more examples about the conditional ise and the ´Dilek şart´ one, I´d like to be able to distinguish which is which



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6.       GulBahar
224 posts
 21 Apr 2014 Mon 07:17 pm

And I´ll be grateful if you post more examples about the conditional ise and the ´Dilek şart´ one, I´d like to be able to distinguish which is which



Edited (4/21/2014) by GulBahar
Edited (4/21/2014) by GulBahar
Edited (4/21/2014) by GulBahar
Edited (4/21/2014) by GulBahar

7.       tunci
7149 posts
 22 Apr 2014 Tue 12:23 am

 

Quoting GulBahar

And I´ll be grateful if you post more examples about the conditional ise and the ´Dilek şart´ one, I´d like to be able to distinguish which is which

 

 

To identify the conditional -se [sa] and optative -se [sa] , there are some tips :

Şart kipi ve Dilek kipi cümlelerini tanımanın bazı ipuçları vardır.

 

Verb with conditional -se doesnt make sense on its own. It has to be tied with other verb and sentence.

Onlar gelirse ---> Here , it says " If they come" which does NOT sound a complete and meaningful.

Onlar gelirse bir toplantı düzenleriz. --> If they come, we will [would] organize a meeting.

Now it is complete.

 

* Conditional -se in aorist form is used alot.

Onlar  gel + ir  + se

 

* Conditional -se can take " Eğer " at the begining of it.

Eğer telefon ederse açma. ---> If he/she phones [you], don´t answer.

 

* Optative -se conveys a wish or a desire for something you want [wanted] to do, or you want [wanted] it to happen.

Keşke ona yardım etseler. ---> I wish they would help him/her.

Keşke Türkçe konuşabilsem ---> I wish I could speak Turkish.

 

* Optative -se can take " Keşke " at the begining of it.

Keşke bugün yağmur yağsa. ---> I wish it would rain today.

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