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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 25 Apr 2014 Fri 10:11 am

Turkish PM offers condolences over 1915

Speaking on the eve of the 99th anniversary of the start of mass deportations of Armenians, Erdogan said the mass killings by Ottoman forces – seen by many as the first genocide of the 20th century – were "inhumane".

"The incidents of the first world war are our shared pain," Erdogan said in an official statement that was translated into nine languages, including Armenian It was the first time that a Turkish leader had used such explicit language in relation to the deeply divisive episode...


Armenia has urged Turkey to recognise the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians as genocide. Turkey, which puts the death toll at 500,000, says they died of fighting and starvation, and categorically rejects the term.

"Millions of people of all religions and ethnicities lost their lives in the first world war," Erdogan said. "Having experienced events which had inhumane consequences – such as relocation – during the first world war should not prevent Turks and Armenians from establishing compassion and mutually humane attitudes towards one another.
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we wish that the Armenians who lost their lives in the context of the early 20th century rest in peace, and we convey our condolences to their grandchildren..

..

Rest:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/23/turkey-erdogan-condolences-armenian-massacre

What PM said is in different languages in PM´s official website : http://www.basbakanlik.gov.tr/Forms/_Article/pg_Article.aspx?Id=e11bde56-a0b7-4ea6-8a9a-954c68157df9

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I think it is an important step for us to face our REAL history.



Edited (4/25/2014) by thehandsom

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2.       burakk
309 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 01:48 am

Kabak tadı vermek

Vikipedi, özgür ansiklopedi

Kabak tadı vermek, bir durumun, özellikle bir konuşma veya tartışmanın sıkıntı verecek kadar çok uzadığı anlamında deyim.

Deyimdeki "kabak" sözcüğünün anlamının ne olduğu şüphelidir. Türkçede kabak, sebze dışında bir çalgı, tahıl ölçeği, esrar nargilesi anlamlarına da gelir. Deyim, benzetme yoluyla bu anlamlardan da türemiş olabilir. [1]

Kaynakça

  1. ^ «Kabak tadı» takıldı aklıma, Hakkı Devrim, Radikal gazetesi internet sitesi [1]

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 09:12 am

 

 

Eee, ata yadigari sporumuz tabiki

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4.       AzerbayCan61
44 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 11:51 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Turkish PM offers condolences over 1915

Speaking on the eve of the 99th anniversary of the start of mass deportations of Armenians, Erdogan said the mass killings by Ottoman forces – seen by many as the first genocide of the 20th century – were "inhumane".

"The incidents of the first world war are our shared pain," Erdogan said in an official statement that was translated into nine languages, including Armenian It was the first time that a Turkish leader had used such explicit language in relation to the deeply divisive episode...


Armenia has urged Turkey to recognise the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians as genocide. Turkey, which puts the death toll at 500,000, says they died of fighting and starvation, and categorically rejects the term.

"Millions of people of all religions and ethnicities lost their lives in the first world war," Erdogan said. "Having experienced events which had inhumane consequences – such as relocation – during the first world war should not prevent Turks and Armenians from establishing compassion and mutually humane attitudes towards one another.
..
we wish that the Armenians who lost their lives in the context of the early 20th century rest in peace, and we convey our condolences to their grandchildren..

..

Rest:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/23/turkey-erdogan-condolences-armenian-massacre

What PM said is in different languages in PM´s official website : http://www.basbakanlik.gov.tr/Forms/_Article/pg_Article.aspx?Id=e11bde56-a0b7-4ea6-8a9a-954c68157df9

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I think it is an important step for us to face our REAL history.

 

No change in Armenian politics. In 1915, Kurds, Turks, Circassians, Armenians expressed condolences to all.

Why Armenians were forced to forced migration ?

* Sultan 2. Abdulhamid assassination

* Collaborate with Russia 

* Kurdish and Turkish Muslims attack villages

 

Russia-Armenia occupied Nagorno-Karabakh. Khojaly genocide and one million Azerbaijanis were forced to forced migration.

Armenians still innocent

 

5.       burakk
309 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 06:04 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Eee, ata yadigari sporumuz tabiki

 

6.       burakk
309 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 06:54 pm

You make the thread as if 24 April is the anniversary of the "massacre". But the so called massacre has taken place in 27 May. That´s the real date of the anniversary. 24 April is the anniversary of the capture of armenian criminals who have been laying waste to Muslim villages. Maybe our prime minister has confused you? Or you just feel sad for the poor little murderers who have butchered whole villages in middle of the WW1.

 

 

1890
   

(20 Haziran) Erzurum İsyanı

(Temmuz) Kumkapı Nümayişi

Birinci Sason İsyanı
1892 - 1893
   
Merzifon, Kayseri, Yozgat isyanları
1895
   

(30 Eylül) Babıâli olayı

Kasım ayında, Ermenilerin Maraş´ta isyan teşebbüsü
1896
   

30 Ekim İstanbul´da Ermeni eylemi

(1 Haziran) I. Van isyanı

(26 Ağustos) Osmanlı Bankası Olayı
1902
   
Ermeni dilcilerden H. Acaryan, "Ermeni Dili´ne Türk Dili´nin Tesiri ve Ermenilerin Türkçe´den Aldıkları Sözler" adında bir eser yazdı.
1904
   
İkinci Sason isyanı
1905
   
(21 Temmuz) Yıldız Camii´nde, Osmanlı Padişahı II. Abdülhamid´e suikast teşebbüsü.
1908
   

Ermenilerin Jamanak adlı gazetesi yayın hayatına başladı.

İkinci Meclis açıldı ve Ermeni komitecilerden bazıları Millet Meclisi´ne girdi.
1909
   
(14 Nisan) Adana´da Ermeni isyanı
1915
   

(15 Nisan) II. Van İsyanı

(24 Nisan) Osmanlı Devleti aleyhinde faaliyette bulunan Ermeni komiteleri kapatıldı. Bu komitelerin idarecilerinden 2345 kişi tutuklandı.

(3 Mayıs) Ermeniler Van´da büyük bir katliama giriştiler.

(27 Mayıs) Yer Değiştirme (Tehcir) Kanunu çıkarıldı.



Edited (4/26/2014) by burakk

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7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 07:45 pm

 

Quoting burakk

You make the thread as if 24 April is the anniversary of the "massacre". But the so called massacre has taken place in 27 May. That´s the real date of the anniversary. 24 April is the anniversary of the capture of armenian criminals who have been laying waste to Muslim villages. Maybe our prime minister has confused you? Or you just feel sad for the poor little murderers who have butchered whole villages in middle of the WW1.

 

 

1890
   

(20 Haziran) Erzurum İsyanı

(Temmuz) Kumkapı Nümayişi

Birinci Sason İsyanı
1892 - 1893
   
Merzifon, Kayseri, Yozgat isyanları
1895
   

(30 Eylül) Babıâli olayı

Kasım ayında, Ermenilerin Maraş´ta isyan teşebbüsü
1896
   

30 Ekim İstanbul´da Ermeni eylemi

(1 Haziran) I. Van isyanı

(26 Ağustos) Osmanlı Bankası Olayı
1902
   
Ermeni dilcilerden H. Acaryan, "Ermeni Dili´ne Türk Dili´nin Tesiri ve Ermenilerin Türkçe´den Aldıkları Sözler" adında bir eser yazdı.
1904
   
İkinci Sason isyanı
1905
   
(21 Temmuz) Yıldız Camii´nde, Osmanlı Padişahı II. Abdülhamid´e suikast teşebbüsü.
1908
   

Ermenilerin Jamanak adlı gazetesi yayın hayatına başladı.

İkinci Meclis açıldı ve Ermeni komitecilerden bazıları Millet Meclisi´ne girdi.
1909
   
(14 Nisan) Adana´da Ermeni isyanı
1915
   

(15 Nisan) II. Van İsyanı

(24 Nisan) Osmanlı Devleti aleyhinde faaliyette bulunan Ermeni komiteleri kapatıldı. Bu komitelerin idarecilerinden 2345 kişi tutuklandı.

(3 Mayıs) Ermeniler Van´da büyük bir katliama giriştiler.

(27 Mayıs) Yer Değiştirme (Tehcir) Kanunu çıkarıldı.

 

I think you believe all the lies told you by the state!!

I dont think you can hide the truth anymore..

But what is the truth?

The truth is that there was a crime in 1915. This crime was an enormous crime in epic proportion and commited by a few murderer.

This truth slaps you on the face as soon as you get out of Turkey.

People wont believe Turkish  opinions. Because Turkey is unable to give logical answers about this.

The question is always out there : if you are telling the truth then what happened to the Armenians?

What you are trying to explain up there is that you are ACCEPTING what happened to Armenians. You are trying to say that ´but they deserved it´.

No one deserves that.

But I dont get Why people support a few murderers?

....

You need to read..

You need to read a lot..(start with the PM´s condolonces)

http://www.taraf.com.tr/yazilar/hayko-bagdat/basbakanin-taziyesi/29563/

http://www.taraf.com.tr/yazilar/mucahit-bilici/ermeni-soykirimi-ve-musluman-milliyetciligi/29566/

http://www.taraf.com.tr/yazilar/murat-belge/taziye/29570/

http://www.taraf.com.tr/yazilar/taner-akcam/heyecanlandirmadi-cunku-biz-cok-degistik/29560/

http://serbestiyet.com/buyuk-bir-adim-tarihi-bir-donum-noktasi/

http://serbestiyet.com/24-nisan-1915te-ne-mi-oldu/

http://serbestiyet.com/1915-ermenilerle-helallesme/

http://serbestiyet.com/erdoganin-1915-taziyesi/

http://t24.com.tr/haber/bir-valinin-1915-tanikligi-ellerimle-tirnaklarimla-tutabildigimi-kurtardim/256930

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8.       gokuyum
5046 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 10:20 pm

If some people think accepting so called genocide will solve problems, they are wrong. It will be the beginning of new big problems. Armenians will want compensation and lands. This will fire the hatred between nations again. Why didnt Armenians accept Erdogan´s condolonces? Without giving lands and compensation no condolences and even no apologises will be accepted.

And I have a few questions if someone knows the answers please inform me:

Did Armenians apologise for their crimes against Turks and Azeris? Didnt they kill thousands of Turks during World War 1. Didnt they massacre Azeris? Didnt they invade Karabag? Do they say they are sorry? Do they accept their crimes? Why do they burn Turks and Azeri flags if they just want peace?



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9.       AzerbayCan61
44 posts
 26 Apr 2014 Sat 11:52 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

If some people think accepting so called genocide will solve problems, they are wrong. It will be the beginning of new big problems. Armenians will want compensation and lands. This will fire the hatred between nations again. Why didnt Armenians accept Erdogan´s condolonces? Without giving lands and compensation no condolences and even no apologises will be accepted.

And I have a few questions if someone knows the answers please inform me:

Did Armenians apologise for their crimes against Turks and Azeris? Didnt they kill thousands of Turks during World War 1. Didnt they massacre Azeris? Didnt they invade Karabag? Do they say they are sorry? Do they accept their crimes? Why do they burn Turks and Azeri flags if they just want peace?

What? What? Land and compensation? {#emotions_dlg.laugh_at}3 million Armenians want land and compensation ... 

Azerbaijan and Zangezur and  Karabakh wants. (Note: 24 million Azerbaijanis live in Northern Iran. )

Vladimir Putin : "Most part of the population of Iran are ethnic Azerbaijanis. These are about 20 million people. It would undoubtedly cause a great flow of refugees to Azerbaijan. We have special ties with Azerbaijan as the former USSR country. There are over a million of Azerbaijanis in Russia. And naturally this would have economically, socially and politically negative implications"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdDH7DN8Q4

10.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Apr 2014 Sun 09:08 am

Now what about Armanians did to Muslims?

 

I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is
  sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best
  way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into 
  wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones,
  as I did. I gathered all of the women, men and children,
  threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live
  on this earth.

A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East)
             No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936.
            -One of the architects of the Armenian genocide
             of Muslim people

*

Foreword:

For example, we were camped one night in a half-ruined Tartar
 mosque, the most habitable building of a destroyed village, near
 the border of Persia and Russian Armenia. During the course of
 evening I asked Ohanus if he could tell me anything of the history
 of the village and the cause of its destruction. In his matter of
 fact way he replied, Yes, I assisted in its sack and destruction,
 and witnessed the slaying of those whose bones you saw to-day
 scattered among its ruins.

p. 218 (first and second paragraphs)

We Armenians did not spare the Muslims. If persisted in, the
 slaughtering of Tartars, the looting, and the rape and massacre
 of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted
 as a matter of course.

 I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the
 ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. Muslims
 had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died
 as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage,
 with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had
 died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting
 with horror worse than death itself.

p. 15 (second paragraph)

The Tartars [Muslims] were, for the most part, poor. Some of them
 lived in villages and cultivated small farms; many of them continued
 in the way of life of their nomadic forefathers. They drove their
 flocks and herds from valley to valley, from plain to mountain, and
 from mountain to plain, following the pasturage as it changed with
 the seasons. They ranged from the salt desert shores of the Caspian
 Sea far into the mighty Caucasus Mountains. Even the village Tartars
 are a primitive people, only semicivilized.

 I can see now that we Armenians frankly despised the Tartars, and,
 while holding a disproportionate share of the wealth of the country,
 regarded and treated them as inferiors.


p. 20 (second paragraph)

Our men armed themselves, gathered together and advanced on the
 Tartar section of the village. There were no lights in the houses
 and the doors were barred, for the Tartars suspected what as to
 happen and were in great fear. Our men hammered on the doors, but
 got no response; whereupon they smashed in the doors and began a
 carnage that continued until the last Tartar was slain. Throughout
 the hideous night, I cowered at home in terror, unable to shut my
 ears to the piercing screams of the helpless victims and the loud
 shouts of our men. By morning the work was finished.

p. 109 (second paragraph).

The method of execution was for an Armenian government ´mauserist´
 to walk up behind the condemned Muslim in his home or on the street,
 place a pistol to the back of his head and blow out his brains.
 This simple way of getting rid of those who were undesirable in
 the view of the Armenian government and soon became a common way
 of paying debts.


p. 202 (first and second paragraphs)

We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
 ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
 of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
 Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
 into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
 and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
 completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
 found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
 into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
 length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
 Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
 plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
 Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
 howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
 scattered bones of the dead.


 p. 203 (second paragraph)

One evening I passed through what had been a Tartar village. Among
 the ruins a fire was burning. I went to the fire and saw seated about
 it a group of soldiers. Among them were two Tartar girls, mere children.
 The girls were crouched on the ground, crying softly with suppressed
 sobs. Lying scattered over the ground were broken household utensils
 and other furnishings of Tartar peasant homes. There were also bodies
 of the Muslim dead.

p. 204 (first paragraph)

I was soon asleep. In the night I was awakened by the persistent crying
 of a child. I arose and went to investigate. A full moon enabled me to
 make my way about and revealed to me all the wreck and litter of the
 tragedy that had been enacted. Guided by the child´s crying, I entered
 the yard of a house, which I judged from its appearance must have been
 the home of a Muslim family. There in a corner of the yard I found a
 women dead. Her throat had been cut. Lying on her breast was a small
 child, a girl about a year old.

Leonard Ramsden Hartill, Men Are Like That The Bobbs-Merrill
                           Company, Indianapolis (1926).
Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the Armenian
 genocide of Muslim people

 

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