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1.       Lina88
9 posts
 30 May 2014 Fri 10:53 pm

hello good evening iyi akşamlar herkese

 

Today I learned the "Dilek kipi" se and sa ekler

but I was a bit confused eventhough the grammar is easy but the way we use it in sentences confused me a bit. For example

yapmak

what´s the difference between "yapsam" and "yaparsam"

 

the şimdiki zaman and gelecek are easy to get when we use them in sentences but the miş´li geçmis zaman "yapmışsam" is it like "if I haven´t"?

 

and the negative form "yapmasam" how can we use it in sentence in which case?

 

the question form? "yapsam mı?"

 

I know it´s a long question but it´s importnant I really need to learn how to use them inside sentences could anyone please make me some sentences and their equivalent in English?

 

thank you god bless you {#emotions_dlg.bye}

2.       tunci
7149 posts
 30 May 2014 Fri 11:04 pm

 

Some functions of  the suffix -sA

 

1. Condition

Gürültü yaparsan insanlar uyanır.

If you make noise ,people would [will] wake up.

 

Erken yola çıkarsan akşama eve varırsın.

If you set off early you would [will] get home tonight.

 

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2. Determination

No matter what happens, no matter what conditions ,

we are determined to achive or fulfil the action.

 

Kar da yağsa yine gelirim.

Even [if] it snows I will still come.

[I am determined to come ]

 

Dünya tersine dönse vazgeçmem.

Even [if] the world turns upside down, I will not give up.

 

3. Guess, strong guess.

 

Ahmet yorgun olsa gerek zira bugün kahveye gelmedi.

Ali must be tired since he didn´t come to the cafe today.

 

Bu camı olsa olsa Serkan kırmıştır.

Only person that broke this window must be Serkan.

 

4. hypothetically

 

Benim yerimde olsan ne yapardın ?

[Hypothetically] what would you do if you were in my place ?

 

5. Doubt, Fear, Worry

 

Ya eve hırsız girmişse !

What if a thief broke in the house ! ------> FEAR

 

Ya bu kış çok soğuk olursa !    --------> WORRY

What if this this winter gets very cold !

 

Ya bir gün hastalansam bu çocuklara kim bakar? ----> WORRY

What if  one day I get ill, who would look after these kids ?

 

6. threat

Ders çalışmazsan kızarım ha!    

If you don´t study I will get mad at you !

 

Bak, söylediklerimi yapmazsan anlaşmayı bozarım !

Look, if you don´t do what I say,I will break the agreement !

 

7. indecisiveness

 

Bilmem söylesem mi, söylemesem mi?

shall I say or not, I really don´t know.

 

Ucuz mu satsam, pahalı mı?

shall I sell it cheap or expensive ?

 

8. Not to care, not to give an importance, ignore

 

Ne halin varsa gör !

Do what the hell you want ! [ i dont care]

 

Ders çalışsam ne olur çalışmasam ne olur.

What difference would that make, whether I study or not.

 

Ne yaparsan yap seninle ilgilenmiyorum.

Whatever you do, I don´t care.

 

9. wish

Keşke yarın hava güzel olsa.

 

I wish tomorrow the weather will be good.

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3.       Lina88
9 posts
 30 May 2014 Fri 11:11 pm

 

Quoting tunci

 

Some functions of  the suffix -sA 

 

1. Condition 

Gürültü yaparsan insanlar uyanır.

If you make noise ,people would [will] wake up.

 

Erken yola çıkarsan akşama eve varırsın.

If you set off early you would [will] get home tonight.

 

******************************************

 

2. Determination 

No matter what happens, no matter what conditions ,

we are determined to achive or fulfil the action.

 

Kar da yağsa yine gelirim.

Even [if] it snows I will still come.

[I am determined to come ]

 

Dünya tersine dönse vazgeçmem.

Even [if] the world turns upside down, I will not give up.

 

3. Guess, strong guess. 

 

Ahmet yorgun olsa gerek zira bugün kahveye gelmedi.

Ali must be tired since he didn´t come to the cafe today.

 

Bu camı olsa olsa Serkan kırmıştır.

Only person that broke this window must be Serkan.

 

4. hypothetically 

 

Benim yerimde olsan ne yapardın ?

[Hypothetically] what would you do if you were in my place ?

 

5. Doubt, Fear, Worry

 

Ya eve hırsız girmişse !

What if a thief broke in the house ! ------> FEAR

 

Ya bu kış çok soğuk olursa !    --------> WORRY

What if this this winter gets very cold !

 

Ya bir gün hastalansam bu çocuklara kim bakar? ----> WORRY

What if  one day I get ill, who would look after these kids ?

 

6. threat

Ders çalışmazsan kızarım ha!    

If you don´t study I will get mad at you !

 

Bak, söylediklerimi yapmazsan anlaşmayı bozarım !

Look, if you don´t do what I say,I will break the agreement !

 

7. indecisiveness

 

Bilmem söylesem mi, söylemesem mi?

shall I say or not, I really don´t know.

 

Ucuz mu satsam, pahalı mı?

shall I sell it cheap or expensive ?

 

8. Not to care, not to give an importance, ignore

 

Ne halin varsa gör !

Do what the hell you want ! [ i dont care]

 

Ders çalışsam ne olur çalışmasam ne olur.

What difference would that make, whether I study or not.

 

Ne yaparsan yap seninle ilgilenmiyorum.

Whatever you do, I don´t care.

 

9. wish

Keşke yarın hava güzel olsa.

 

I wish tomorrow the weather will be good.

 

A huge thank you 

 

çok teşekkür ederim

4.       tunci
7149 posts
 30 May 2014 Fri 11:23 pm

 

what´s the difference between "yapsam" and "yaparsam"

 

* yapsam  can convey conditional meaning as in example below :

Yemek yapsam yer misniz ? ---> Would you eat IF I cook [meal] ?


* yapsam  can convey optative /wish meaning :

Keşke şu an orda olsam , bir kahve yapsam ve kafamı dinlesem...

I wish I was there now , making a cup coffee and chilling out....

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* yaparsam  basically conveys  conditional meaning :

Bunu yaparsam başım belaya girer. 

If I do this, I will be [get] in trouble.


 

 

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5.       tunci
7149 posts
 30 May 2014 Fri 11:47 pm

the şimdiki zaman and gelecek are easy to get when we use them in sentences but the miş´li geçmis zaman "yapmışsam" is it like "if I haven´t"?


 


and the negative form "yapmasam" how can we use it in sentence in which case?


 


the question form? "yapsam mı?"


yapmışsam ---> If I had done/made  can be understood in two ways :


1. Reported /Claimed conditional past [ Someone claims that I had done this]


Ona kötülük yapmışsam, neden hala benimle konuşuyor ? 


If [he claimes that] I done bad thing to him, why is he still talking to me ?


In other words, someone/he/she claims that I harmed him/her, if it is so why he/she is still talking to me.


 


2.  because


Yapmışsam bir sebebi vardır.


I have done [this] because there is a reason [behind it]


====================================


* "yapmasam" ----> If I don´t do [this/that]  or  If I didn´t do this/that


Çay  yapmasam ayıp olur. ---> If I don´t make tea, that will be rude. 




* yapmasam --> also can be used in negative optative/wish case :


Keşke bugün ev ödevi yapmasam ---> I wish I wouldn´t do homework today.






 


 

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6.       Lina88
9 posts
 31 May 2014 Sat 12:56 am

 

Quoting tunci

the şimdiki zaman and gelecek are easy to get when we use them in sentences but the miş´li geçmis zaman "yapmışsam" is it like "if I haven´t"?

 

and the negative form "yapmasam" how can we use it in sentence in which case?

 

the question form? "yapsam mı?"

yapmışsam ---> If I had done/made  can be understood in two ways :

1. Reported /Claimed conditional past [ Someone claims that I had done this]

Ona kötülük yapmışsam, neden hala benimle konuşuyor ? 

If [he claimes that] I done bad thing to him, why is he still talking to me ?

In other words, someone/he/she claims that I harmed him/her, if it is so why he/she is still talking to me.

 

2.  because

Yapmışsam bir sebebi vardır.

I have done [this] because there is a reason [behind it]

====================================

* "yapmasam" ----> If I don´t do [this/that]  or  If I didn´t do this/that

Çay  yapmasam ayıp olur. ---> If I don´t make tea, that will be rude. 


* yapmasam --> also can be used in negative optative/wish case :

Keşke bugün ev ödevi yapmasam ---> I wish I wouldn´t do homework today.



 

 

 

This is very helpful thanx again youre the best  

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