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1.       Drbiljana
21 posts
 19 Jun 2014 Thu 11:38 am

Can someone please break down this sentence for me :

 

Örneğin geçen gün torunuma otuz yıl öncesinin ütülerini anlattım.

 

 

Örnek + in ( genitive ) > For example

geçen > last

gün > day

torun + um (poss 1.sing) + a ( dative case ) > to my nephew

otuz > thirty

yıl > years

öncesi + n +in >  ?????

ütüler + i (poss 3.sing)  + n + i (acc. case ) > ?????

anlat + tım ( geçmiş zaman 1. sing ) > İ explained



Edited (6/19/2014) by Drbiljana

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2.       jangala
8 posts
 19 Jun 2014 Thu 12:47 pm

A forewarning that İ´m a fellow beginner, and i´m not sure İ´ve seen this form before but to me:

Quoting Drbiljana

Örneğin geçen gün torunuma otuz yıl öncesinin ütülerini anlattım.

 

- this looks like one noun phrase, a direct object, i.e. the irons (for clothes) of thirty years ago. Depending on when this explanation is supposed to have taken place it could be comparing heavy charcoal-heated irons to electric or perhaps an old fashioned eletric to some new electronic type with many features or something like that.

My best atempt at a translation to Australian English for this sentence is then:

For instance, the other day (a few days ago) I exlained to my nephew about the irons of thirty years ago.

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3.       jangala
8 posts
 19 Jun 2014 Thu 12:50 pm

Sorry, somehow part of my message got chopped out, the noun phrase İ was reffering to was otuz yıl öncesinin ütülerini, hopefully it doesnit get chopped out again or i´m going to look really silly

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4.       Drbiljana
21 posts
 19 Jun 2014 Thu 01:24 pm

Thank you, it all makes sense now.

5.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 19 Jun 2014 Thu 04:24 pm

 

Quoting Drbiljana

Can someone please break down this sentence for me :

 

Örneğin geçen gün torunuma otuz yıl öncesinin ütülerini anlattım.

 

 

Örnek + in ( genitive ) > For example

geçen > last

gün > day

torun + um (poss 1.sing) + a ( dative case ) > to my nephew

otuz > thirty

yıl > years

öncesi + n +in >  ????? look below

ütüler + i (poss 3.sing)  + n + i (acc. case ) > ????? yes accusative

anlat + tım ( geçmiş zaman 1. sing ) > İ explained

 

I will answer your questtion with examples.

"Arabanın kapı" is a defined noun clause. In a defined noun clause both words have suffixes. -(n)ın suffix is modifier, and -sı suffix is modified.

Now look at this example:

Arabanın kapının kolu

 

I added another word to the noun clause. To do that I put a modifier suffix after -sı and of course I put the modified suffix (-u) after the third word "kol" I can add another noun doing the same thing.

 

Ex: Arabanın kapısının kolunun rengi

 

Note: There are other types of noun clauses too. You can read about them here:

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish_lesson_68

6.       Drbiljana
21 posts
 19 Jun 2014 Thu 05:27 pm

Thank you gokuyum.

I know Zincirleme isim tamamlası, and in this sentence İ recongnised öncesinin ütüleri, but İ could´t put otuz yıl anywhere, and it confused me.

İ got it when jangala explained that it is actualy  otuz yıl öncesi + ütüler= otuz yıl öncesinin ütüleri

 

{#emotions_dlg.doh}



Edited (6/19/2014) by Drbiljana

7.       mehmet111
195 posts
 21 Jun 2014 Sat 06:53 pm

 

haha I think people have slowly started to use my analysing style or I may be wrong about this opinion.

 

Örneğin geçen gün torunuma otuz yıl öncesinin ütülerini anlattım.

For example, I told my grandchild about the irons which one used to use thirty years ago.

 

torun (grandchild)

yeğen (1nephew, 2niece)

 

torun+m+a ------> torun+um+a ----->torunuma

torunuma (to my grandchild)

 

ütü (iron (electrical equipment to heat up))

ütü+ler(plural) ------------> ütüler (irons)

 

önce (1before, 2ago, 3firstly)

otuz yıl önce (thirty years ago)

otuz yıl öncesi (thirty years ago (according to a definite time))

otuz yıl öncesi+in(genitive)----->otuz yıl öncesinin (of the time that is thirty years ago according to now)

otuz yıl öncesinin ütüleri (thirty years ago´s irons; the irons that was being used thirty years ago)

otuz yıl öncesinin ütülerini [in accusative] [definite object]

 

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If you bring a case suffix (dative, accusative, .... cases) after the possessive suffix of the 3rd singular and plural, you should pronounce "n" between those suffixes.

 

ütüleri N i

önce S i N in

 

I think you don´t have big problem but it may be beneficial to repeat the combining letters:

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish_lesson_254 



Edited (6/21/2014) by mehmet111

8.       Drbiljana
21 posts
 26 Jun 2014 Thu 03:25 pm

It is an only way to learn a synthetic language (with high morpheme-per-word-ratio) such as Turkish language.

I addopted this way of  "breaking words" when I was studying Serbian and later Latin which are also synthetic languages like Turkish (fusional not agglutinative, but still synthetic). 

My native language is Macedonian which is an analytic language like English, and quite the opposite of Turkish. It was very strange and difficult for me at first to adapt to this grammar, but once I got used to separating words into root and suffixis, it became easier. 

 



Edited (6/26/2014) by Drbiljana

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