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Have to... / lazim / gerek / zorunda
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| 10. |
28 Jul 2006 Fri 04:45 pm |
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Quoting angel_: hey bod..
thats what I found out so far
Possibilities to say have to / must
1. lazım
2. gerek
3. zorunda
4. suffix -meli / -malı
When you want to say a "positv" sentece
lazım and gerek are both possible to use (they are changable)
Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek
Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek
"negativ" senteces are like this:
Bugün calışmam lazım değıl
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
or you can say:
Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.
Next: zorunda: "positv"
Bugün calışmak zorundayım
"negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım...
Next: - suffix -meli / -malı
It means as well "must"
positiv:
Bugün calışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün calışmamalıyim
But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?
What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)
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Bana para lazım
Bana para gerek
Bugün calışmam lazım
Bugün calışmam gerek
They all refers that you have to do it because there is an obligatory. By the way;
Bugün calışmam lazım değil
Bugün calışmam gerekli değıl ( dont forget the li)
these tell us that there is no obligatory. And;
Bugün calışmam gereksiz.
Bugün calışmam lüzumsuz.
these means:"It will be better not to work"
So these three types are different.
Quoting angel_: "negativ": I have no idea: Maybe :.... zorunda değılım... |
exactly, you are right! Like here:
Gitmek zorunda değilim
I dont have to go
Quoting angel_: Bugün çalışmalıyım (correct - as you said- I believe)
negativ:
bugün çalışmamalıyım |
They are "must" and also can be "should" due to the sentence. And negative form nmeans that: "I belive that it would be better not to work"
Quoting angel_: But this still does not help me with my other questions:
My book tells me that I can use all forms
So.. is there really no difference ?
Which use turkish people most ?
What about the diffrent times - like future (with olacak)and past with -idi- ?
(hopefully my English is well enough that you can undstand me and maybe somebody else as well my problem in this case)
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Sure there are some differences, but you should see them in the practices we write.
If you give me a specific example, I can answer your question about future and past forms.
Kolay gelsin!
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| 11. |
28 Jul 2006 Fri 05:25 pm |
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merhaba caliptrix,
thank you so much so far:
lazim/ gerek / zorunda / -sufix -meli/malı
First:
I got this information out of the book:
Lazım is an old arabic word
Gerek is the "new" turkish word
Thats why they say, there is no difference in using it.
Is that correct ?
Second:
Future
Yarın doctora gitmem lazım olacak
Yarin doctora gitmem gerek olacak
Yarin docotra gitmek zorunda olacağim
Yarin doctora gidmeliceğim
( I know, that when I have a fixed appointment I can use the present tense too - Its just nothing else came into my mind )
Past:
Dün doctora gitmem lazımdı
Dün doctora gitmem gerekliyidi
Dün doctora gitmek zorundaydım
Dün doctora gidmelidim.
And what about questions:
Sen bugün doctora gitmen lazım mısın ?
Did I understand everything correctly ? Could you please check it ?
Thanks for your help
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| 12. |
28 Jul 2006 Fri 05:25 pm |
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merhaba caliptrix,
thank you so much so far:
lazim/ gerek / zorunda / -sufix -meli/malı
First:
I got this information out of the book:
Lazım is an old arabic word
Gerek is the "new" turkish word
Thats why they say, there is no difference in using it.
Is that correct ?
Second:
Future
Yarın doctora gitmem lazım olacak
Yarin doctora gitmem gerek olacak
Yarin docotra gitmek zorunda olacağim
Yarin doctora gidmeliceğim
( I know, that when I have a fixed appointment I can use the present tense too - Its just nothing else came into my mind )
Past:
Dün doctora gitmem lazımdı
Dün doctora gitmem gerekliyidi
Dün doctora gitmek zorundaydım
Dün doctora gidmelidim.
And what about questions:
Sen bugün doctora gitmen lazım mısın ?
Did I understand everything correctly ? Could you please check it ?
Thanks for your help
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| 13. |
28 Jul 2006 Fri 07:44 pm |
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Quoting angel_: merhaba caliptrix,
thank you so much so far:
lazim/ gerek / zorunda / -sufix -meli/malı
First:
I got this information out of the book:
Lazım is an old arabic word
Gerek is the "new" turkish word
Thats why they say, there is no difference in using it.
Is that correct ? |
I think you cannot separate it that it comes from Arabic or another language. It is now fully Turkish.
Many things in languages are not to understand, many of them are just to memorize. You can see something not logic, because language is not always logical. Language is to practice and a habit.
Quoting angel_: Second:
Future
Yarın doctora gitmem lazım olacak
Yarin doctora gitmem gerek olacak
Yarin docotra gitmek zorunda olacağim
Yarin doctora gidmeliceğim |
It must be doktor;
Your sentences are right, except this:
Yarin doctora gidmeliceğim
I think, "-meli" is not for future, because I cant find it for future.
Quoting angel_: ( I know, that when I have a fixed appointment I can use the present tense too - Its just nothing else came into my mind )
Past:
Dün doctora gitmem lazımdı
Dün doctora gitmem gerekliyidi
Dün doctora gitmek zorundaydım
Dün doctora gidmelidim. |
As I said: doktor not doctor.
First is ok,
Second is: "Dün doctora gitmem gerekliyidi"
must be: Dün doktora gitmem gerekliydi
Third is ok,
Fourth is: "Dün doctora gidmelidim."
must be: Dün doktora gitmeliydim.
Quoting angel_: And what about questions:
Sen bugün doctora gitmen lazım mısın ?
Did I understand everything correctly ? Could you please check it ?
Thanks for your help |
lazım is using for an event, so we say lazım + event(indirect)
Senin bugün doktora gitmen lazım mı?
Better question for that:
Senin bugün doktora gitmen gerekiyor mu?
You dont need to emphesize "you", so you dont ened to use sen/senin here:
Bugün doktora gitmen lazım mı?
Bugün doktora gitmen gerekiyor mu?
Second is practically better .
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| 14. |
28 Jul 2006 Fri 08:11 pm |
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merhaba caliptrix,
şimdi anladim
çok teşekkür ederim
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| 15. |
14 Jan 2015 Wed 12:26 am |
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NEED:
You need to study - çalışman lazım – gerek
WOULD HAVE
You would have studied – çalışman gerekirdi
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