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The "Doubled causative"?? what is it??
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28 Aug 2006 Mon 12:38 am |
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Hi all,
I need help to understand the "Doubled Causative" my book says we use it when we cause "a third party to act" and gives 3 verbs:
1- Anlattırmak = to have somethıng explaıned
2. Tamir ettirtmek = to have somethıng repaıred
3. Yaptırıltmak= to have somethıng done.
Can someone please, give me a list with more verbs like these that are in daily usage??
Can someone, please explain how it is built and WHEN should I use it?? because I can't understand it.
Thank you very much,
Dilara. 
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28 Aug 2006 Mon 12:43 am |
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Quoting Dilara: Hi all,
I need help to understand the "Doubled Causative" my book says we use it when we cause "a third party to act" and gives 3 verbs:
1- Anlattırmak = to have somethıng explaıned
2. Tamir ettirtmek = to have somethıng repaıred
3. Yaptırıltmak= to have somethıng done.
Can someone please, give me a list with more verbs like these that are in daily usage??
Can someone, please explain how it is built and WHEN should I use it?? because I can't understand it.
Thank you very much,
Dilara. |
I guess this will make it more clear
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28 Aug 2006 Mon 01:14 am |
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I will take a look now, I hope I can understand it.
Thank you very much!!
Dilara.
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28 Aug 2006 Mon 11:48 am |
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Quoting Dilara: Hi all,
I need help to understand the "Doubled Causative" my book says we use it when we cause "a third party to act" and gives 3 verbs:
1- Anlattırmak = to have somethıng explaıned
2. Tamir ettirtmek = to have somethıng repaıred
3. Yaptırıltmak= to have somethıng done.
Can someone please, give me a list with more verbs like these that are in daily usage??
Can someone, please explain how it is built and WHEN should I use it?? because I can't understand it.
Thank you very much,
Dilara. |
There are 3 suffixes to make factitive voice (what you call causative)
1) -(i)t-
This one is used if a verb ends with a vowel or l,r
Söyle-mek -- to say
Söyle-t-mek -- make *somebody* say (something)
Söylettim -- I made him/her say it
Azal-mak -- to become less, to lessen, to diminish
Azal-t-mak -- to lessen, reduce, lower, decrease. lit: to make something become less
Karar-mak -- to get dark, to turn black
Karar-t-mak -- to darken, blacken. lit: to make something turn black
2) -(i)r-
Kaç-mak -- to escape, to flee
Kaç-ır-mak -- to make somebody escape (from somewhere) or to make somebody go away
Kaçırdım -- I made him/her go away from me
3) -tir-/-dir-
This one is used mostly compared to the two above. It is actually a combo of them:
-tir- = -t-ir-
Dur-mak -- To stop (intransitive)
Dur-dur-mak -- To stop (transitive) lit: to make something stop
Durdum -- I stopped (intr.)
Arabayı durdurdum -- I stopped the car (tr.)
As you can guess, it can be formulated like this
V + -(i)t-/ -(i)r/ -tir- = make somebody/something V ...
So double causative is when you add one of the above suffixes to a verb which has been already added one of them
Söyle-t-mek = to make somebody say something
Söyle-t-tir-mek = to make somebody make somebody else say something
Dur-dur-mak = to make somebody stop something
Dur-dur-t-mak = to make somebody make somebody else stop something
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29 Aug 2006 Tue 11:40 pm |
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Aslan2 :your replies and help are highly appreciated! Thank you very very much for your explanation!
çok teşekkür ederim!!
Dilara.
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29 Aug 2006 Tue 11:49 pm |
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Quoting aslan2: There are 3 suffixes to make factitive voice (what you call causative)
1) -(i)t-
2) -(i)r-
3) -tir-/-dir- |
Is there a rule about which one is used with which verb or is it just a case of learning them by heart???
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30 Aug 2006 Wed 07:54 am |
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Quoting bod: Is there a rule about which one is used with which verb or is it just a case of learning them by heart??? |
There are some rules that apply most of the times. But there are some verb roots you need to know by heart.
1) >1 syllable
- If a verb stem that end with a vowel, an l or an r use -t-
dene-t-, ara-t-, kapa-t-, ufal-t-, azal-t-, yüksel-t-, karar-t-, sarar-t-, morar-t-, kopar-t-, etc.
- otherwise use -tir-/dir-
aran-dır-, sevin-dir-, araş-tır-, geliş-tir-, bırak-tır-, etc.
OK. This one seems to always apply
Now the memorizing part
2) 1 syllable
Most of them are attached -tir-/-dir- suffix but you should memorize those that doesn't conform to this rule
ye-dir-, de-dir-, al-dır-, bak-tır- etc.
But
ak-ıt-, az-ıt-, geç-ir-, göç-ür-, kaç-ır-, taş-ır-, etc.
There are not many though. These are those I remember now.
An example
Taş-mak -- To overflow
Taş-ır-mak -- To make it overflow
But
Taşı-mak -- To carry something
Taşı-t-mak -- To make somebody carry something
They look similar but 1st one is 1 syllable and the second is 2
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