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Thread: Ahmet Kaya

6311.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 30 Nov 2007 Fri 01:54 pm

Quoting MrX67:

they say music is universal and i think thats not a true recognize,same tune can give big big pleasure for someone while thats only a dirty voice for another one's ears.So i think music is very relative and depend on social,cultural and economic conditions.So Arabesk is the inalienable music of the part of a whole society.And Ahmet Kaya was one of the hit of Turkish protest music,and he was a great musician whatever his political opinions were...


I think This song is written for Ahmet Kaya by Fikret Kizilok: (I can not find it in youtube)

"Pişşt Barmen sen de bizdensin
Karlı Kayın Ormanı'nda bisiklete binersin di mi?
Baş kaldırıyorum de
Kaldır başını indir kaşını azgın demokrat

Geceleri gökyüzünde
Şairlerin önsözünde
Sağdan vurup sol gözünde
Parsa topla benim için "



Thread: Ahmet Kaya

6312.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 30 Nov 2007 Fri 12:18 pm

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

Music should give people some pleasure, something else than the pain and sarrow.



I completely disagree! Music is inspired by all emotion, and more often than not, it's pain and loss which produce the most beautiful music.

Imagine being without all the beautiful requiems from the great classical composers, or the tragic operas by Puccini, or 90% of songs by Radiohead and Muse!!!

A world where music was always happy and jolly always would be hell!!


You might be right in generic sense about the music.
But however, the pain I am trying to explain is almost self inflicted and mostly non existant. It is almost like shia people beating themselves with chains.
And I am not going to accept that!!

Roswitha please shorten your link..





Thread: Ahmet Kaya

6313.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 30 Nov 2007 Fri 02:57 am

I think arabesk music is more than a music. It is culture. it is a sub culture.
In Turkey, it, somehow, represents the village culture being carried into cities. or people come to big cities from their villages and try to fit there. it is the culture they live in.

Cultural differences between big cities and the villages in Turkey are enourmous. When you live in Istanbul, you may feel like you in a western city but on the other hand, if you live in a village in the east of turkey, it is like living in another century.
And when you think of the immigration to big cities from those villages, you may have an idea of what cultural shock they might have. It is impossible to think that they will integrate easily into city culture. They feel like they are outsiders. They feel in a way they dont belong to that culture. It is the feudel culture they used to live in..But city culture is different.
They used to listen folk music like this arif sag, however city people would listen to turkish art music zeki muren or turkish pop music tarkan.
So what happened was these masses could not find the music which would fit into the life they were living. Then came arabesk. orhan gencebay or ferdi tayfur are typical examples for arabesk music.( Born in end of 1950, begining of 1960s)
What is wrong with arabesk then?
Well..First of all it is temporary. It should go away as soon as cultural differences, coming from internal immigration are gone. Secondly, in arabesk music is very pessimistic about every aspect of life. Love in arabesk music can never have happy ending for example. There is always, most of the time self inflicted, pain in that music . According to arabesk themes everything is unjust, unfair, sometimes, not worth living the life at all.
Music should give people some pleasure, something else than the pain and sarrow.
But arabesk music does not.



Thread: Ahmet Kaya

6314.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 30 Nov 2007 Fri 01:35 am

I think arabesk music is more than a music. It is culture. It is a sub culture.
In Turkey, arabesk, somehow, represents the village culture being carried into cities. or people come to big cities from their villages and try to fit there. it is the culture they live in.
I will write more on the topic...continued



Thread: Armenian Tashnak Party: 'Armenian territories' will come off Turkey sooner or later

6315.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 29 Nov 2007 Thu 11:49 pm

Quoting portokal:


her movements, the way she dances, her sex-appeal, the inner light in her eyes....
reminded me of pantomime, the apprentice of bejart, songs long forgotten, a puppet theater. all that is but jennifer lopez.


hmmm



Thread: Ahmet Kaya

6316.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 29 Nov 2007 Thu 11:32 pm

I think, although he was saying nice things but, in the end, he was singing 'arabesk' for left wing people..



Thread: Armenian Tashnak Party: 'Armenian territories' will come off Turkey sooner or later

6317.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 29 Nov 2007 Thu 09:12 pm

Quoting femme_fatal:

i cant believe she has deleted it.


is she scared? My guess is she might have thought someone would be jealous!!



Thread: Armenian Tashnak Party: 'Armenian territories' will come off Turkey sooner or later

6318.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 29 Nov 2007 Thu 09:05 pm

what happened to catwoman's picture I posted?
hmmm..
admin got to do with this incident?
what happened to freedom of expression heh?

here it is :




Thread: T to E please urgent

6319.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 29 Nov 2007 Thu 03:17 pm

Quoting astry1:

canım ben very much real düşünmek if i not real i you not talk ben dürüst bir yaklaşım yaptım sana eğer sende gerçek ve doğru düşünmek varsa ben senden çok etkilendim ve sevdim eğer inanmaz isen biz ikimizde üzülmeden bitirmek daha iyi olur ama geleceksen ben hazır seni beklerim gelmez isen bana doğru söyle bende ona göre davranayım. bizim sorunumuz sadece para şimdi ve işyeri because benim aile yardım etmiyor bana bu konuda sen gelince ne kadar para ayarlamak söyle ona göre ev ve işyeri tutarım ok . çok iyi düşün ve bana kesin kararını söyle canım ı love u very much baby


horribly mixed up
my love, I think much real things here..... I had a very sincere approach to you, (I think he is trying to say he hopes you did the same).....I have been impressed by you and love you a lot. But if you dont believe (what I say) it is better if we finish it before we get hurt. But if you will come I will wait for you but if you wont, tell me so I can do things accordingly. Our problem is only money and a work place now, because my family is not helping to me. How much money can you arrange when you come? tell me so that I can hire a house and work place. Think very carefully and let me know your final decision my love.. ı love u very much baby

astry1, I hope he is genuine!!!



Thread: Armenian Tashnak Party: 'Armenian territories' will come off Turkey sooner or later

6320.       thehandsom
6807 posts
 29 Nov 2007 Thu 02:43 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

This is our new strategy for the topics we dont want to talk about.


What is it you don't want to talk about? Tell me right now!


ermmm..hummmmm..ermmm.
Armenians, Kurdish problem, human rights in Turkey, Islam, Turkish army, Cyprus, resort workers (DUDUs)
ve ve

APPEARANCE of certain individual(s)!! (or their hang-ups)



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