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Thread: Israel

461.       vineyards
1954 posts
 05 Jun 2010 Sat 01:40 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

Israel is the source of all terrorism?! WHAT?! Come onnn, so it´s also Israel´s fault that Somali pirates are attacking ships? I have thought you a bit more educated oeince...

 

By the way, I can also put great stories on here of people who died in bus bombings from Palestine terrorist. There are many sides to every story. But believe me, Israel is not part of EVERY story in the world.

 

Your recent answers reveal a universal aspect of possibly all humans: when their country or ethnic origins are in question, roles change. You find yourself acting exactly the way Turks do when they deal with the criticism about their country. With matters buried in the ashes of history, eg the Armenian question etc, this could be justified to some extent. Patriotism makes you so blind, you cannot see the reality although reality is broadcast on mass media day in and day out where perpetrators have the nerve to appear live to peek fun at all the world.



Thread: The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish

462.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Jun 2010 Fri 04:12 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

There is a serious tendency between Turks about belittling Kurds and their culture and trying to show them as backwards and primitive as possible.  According to them, they represent the ´better´ class in Turkey.. They want to put a ´clear line´ between themselves and the Kurds who are culterless/feudal/primitive/backwards people.. Because some of them tend to have bigger families..Some of them listen to their feudal leaders..They dont speak Turkish well..blah blah..

 

 

 

Well, all your messages are colored too. In fact, they are as colored as those from nationalists. I hate to get personal with you but I think and many of us will agree, you are quite a  bit predictable. You keep saying the same things that seem to come from a single book which divides people into poles and judges them according the labels they bear.

 

Admittedly, I did not read your message beyond the first two paragraphs. Truth be told, you  don´t write opinions but reactions that could best be conveyed by opening the window in the middle of the night and shouting in anger. Just like any message conveyed that way, it irritates people rather than gaining their approval or consent.

 

You might complain about the tone of this post but before doing that you should browse through your past messages where you labeled people at will. If you stop pouring out all your anger on us the nationalist types and begin writing opinions. Only then can I answer you with opinions.

 

Going back to the recent post, do you think Kurds do not live in extended families? Can we say they are generally much more civilized people than what I depicted. You may claim all of this is Turkey´s fault but you cannot change the reality. I am 43 years old and have have traveled extensively. I have no problem hanging out with Kurdish friends, we often discuss with them these matters too. The things they tell me about their culture are mostly in line with my previous message. Many of them don´t mind making self-criticism

 

For example, several of my friends told me about honor killings committed because of unsubstantiated suspicion. A girl´s life is pretty much expendible should she be caught flirting with her boy friend. Now there is a difference here and we can not make it disappear by quoting verses from that neo-liberal, socialist mumbo-jumbo.



Edited (6/4/2010) by vineyards



Thread: The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish

463.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Jun 2010 Thu 02:13 pm

There is a certain gemeral perception about almost the entire people in South East and to a much lesser extent those in East Turkey: these are predominantly feudal people who are still going through a transformation from a social order that entails tribes, extremely large extended families gathering around local lords whom they serve without getting paid for anything other than the most basic human needs. This is a setting where human rights in the sense perceived by Western standards is impossible. People are taught to obey their masters and rely on their permission for any individual decision that include traveling from one place to another, marriages etc. There are usually conflicts  among these tribes which result in feuds. Younger members of the family, especially those under 18 are used as hitmen to settle open accounts. Usually, the lives of people in these clans are expendable whenever there is a benefit. These people often have 5-10-15 or more children and the spree goes on until the family has enough boys to defend it.

 

These aspects of the South Eastern population and their obvious discord with the life in big cities have always created a problem. These people have moved from the East to West some finding their way in European countries. They were usually scorned, looked down on and severely criticized for being so backward. Not only in Turkey but also abroad. 

 

Based on this, we can conclude that the Kurds are indeed the Indians of Turkey. Nevertheless, the Indians have a culture that places utmost value to nature. Despite being primitive compared to the Western civilization, there are many enviable aspects of their culture.

 

On contact with these people, early American settlers did not want to integrate them into their societies. They labeled them according to their skin color and the blood. Color and blood were two aspects that separated them from others. In Turkey, Kurds are not treated with racial consciousness. The problems is about their social character...

 



Thread: Relief ship stopped by Israeli Navy

464.       vineyards
1954 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 10:34 pm

I read in the news that no communication is possible wiith the vessels since Israeli troops are using jammers. Ever since I saw the picture of the two year old son of a ship officer, my mind has been set on him. I have a child about the same age. Without him my life wouldbe meaningless. Through empathy, I know the psychological condition of the family(s) in question. I can´t stop blaming them for what they did though. For the time being the details of the incident are still sketchy.



Thread: Relief ship stopped by Israeli Navy

465.       vineyards
1954 posts
 31 May 2010 Mon 09:26 pm

Why did the parents of those toddlers onboard took them on this obviously dangerous journey? Regardless what cause they are advocating, they must have thought about the safety of their children first. They should never have trusted the Israeli government. These guys are always doing this and walk away with blood in their hands. They will walk away this time too. We may look forward to a few more Holocaust movies this year. It is guranteed that in a couple of years from now, all this will be forgotten but the sufferings of the Jewish nation will always be high on the agenda.

 

 



Thread: Kurdish children jailed in Turkey under anti-terror law

466.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 09:04 am

Yes teacher, I think you will require an attendance sheet too. We are sorry for being so thick headed. If we followed your footprints there would be no problems since there would be no country left.

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

 

 I refer to most of you.If you just chat in front of your computers and don´t take action;you are showing off. The worst part is you are kicking out people who took action like spritzer. You are typical orientalists who talk much as you know everything but do nothing. Yes I do nothing also but I don´t try to save the world with empty words.You can´t save anything or anybody with empty words and without action. You can take Rachel Corrie as an example. You should be either an activist or you shouldn´t talk too loudly.Because one day one can ask you what you did except talking  and you can be ashamed.


 

 

 



Thread: Eurovision 2010 Finals

467.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 May 2010 Sun 08:52 am

True, block voting turns the whole organization into a pig circus but it also reflects the general state of the things in Europe. If it weren´t for such a large scale organization like Eurovision we would rely on guesswork to determine who loves or hates whom and to what extent. We must consider this event as a major poll organization giving us a snapshot of love/hate relationships.

 

Of course, this is no Woodstock and apart from the kaboom that lasts one or two shows, many of the participants will have no chance to turn this into a lasting presence in the international musical scene.

 

I like Germany´s entry, yes the singer is so cute. No objections about its being the number one but in the end it is just a cute song that will probably be forgotten next year. Time will show.

 

Of all the songs I listened to, the one from Armenia seemed to be the one with the greatest potential. It follows the formula once used by the likes of Khachaturian: local tunes converted into international music. Armenia is a country of great sufferings. This point reflects in their music, in their surnames and their general attitude toward life. Yet it also provides a strong mucial texture in which traditional instruments like the duduk provide an awesome scenery of desperation and deprivation. Most people will agree Turkey is a diversified country, just like we share a lot musically with countries like Greece and Bulgaria, Syria, we share the same taste in music with the Armenians. As a matter of fact, the roots of their music was sawn in the heart of Anatolia and it is still very alive. As for the song itself, I would say good singer, good music and good enough stage performance but the concept could be developed a bit more professionally.

 



Edited (5/30/2010) by vineyards



Thread: Duchess of York faces criminal charges over Turkish child-scandal

468.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 May 2010 Thu 02:50 am

Going back to the original discussion:

 

There is no doubt what the Duchess did was ethically wrong. If what she did was limited to arranging an interview for her ex husband there would probably be no legal consequences. This situation however suggests there may indeed be some sort of an illegal expectation as well. The amounts involved and the way the whole thing is arranged are the tell-tale signs of a criminal act undercover.

 

As for the hidden camera footage depicting children being harshly treated in Turkey; this is absolutely another matter.  It must be thoroughly investigated and the perpetrators brought to the court if necessary.

 

There are children on both sides. Some consider this as a campaign disparaging Turkey and some allude that the video depicts how Turks generally treat their children.



Edited (5/27/2010) by vineyards



Thread: Ghandi Kemal is coming

469.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 May 2010 Thu 12:11 am

Mark my words, Kemalism is as archaic as it actually is, it belongs to the 1920´s and 1930´s.

 

Yet it still gives stomach cramps to some of us. Some of us still lag behind it. Kemal suggested that positive science should be our path finder. He never wanted us to be stuck in the 30´s. 

 

 



Thread: Ghandi Kemal is coming

470.       vineyards
1954 posts
 27 May 2010 Thu 12:03 am

Well, wake up everybody, to the real world. Because in the real world, people mind their own interests.



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