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Thread: Turkey, Russia to lift visa requirement

481.       vineyards
1954 posts
 10 May 2010 Mon 11:35 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 That´s negative, right?

 

 

Well, that might be negative depending on your point of view. Just as you are, I am entitled to my opinion and everyone is free to establish links among different concepts.

 

I don´t want to teach you anything but let me make this explanation:

 

When nations deal with one another, they invariably seek to further and/or to protect their interests. It is generally thought that this point serves a basic principle upon which all treaties, agreements and decisions must be based. Turkey-EU or Turkey-Russia relations can be evaluated from this point of view: what is gained or what is lost.

 

That there is no future in Europe is not something I came up with. This point has been frequently covered by major European financial publications.

 

That the US requested to use Turkish air, sea and land territory to launch a new front against Iraq is a very well-documented event of our near history. When the Turkish parliament refused to grant that right to the US a crisis between Turkey and the US broke out.  A visiting US senator openly threatened Turkey saying something like this : If Turkey does not help US she has more to lose. The US can defend Chicago or New York but can Turkey hold on to Izmir or Istanbul in a future war?

 

To set the record straight, I am not anti-american. Many of my friends are American citizens. I like the American culture. What I am against is despotism, militarism and racism which are unfortunately amply present in that country. Still, I can differentiate between good and bad aspects of America.

 

I believe you are a logical person. I hope you will understand what I am really against. It is certainly not the Western culture.

 

 

 

 



Thread: The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish

482.       vineyards
1954 posts
 09 May 2010 Sun 10:33 pm

This is not Eurovision Song Contest and we are not supposed to be bound by what France or England is doing. 

 

It makes sense to think that everyone is entitled to holding on to their cultural assets. We don´t need France to confirm this point. We are intelligent enough to draw our own conclusions (as humans).

 

Quoting Yersu

 

 

This was a charter of European council, thus it concerns EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Europe, in fact in the whole western world.

 

Let us examine this deceit more closely:

 

So basically we have a country, France, who is a member of E.U and thus bound by its laws and legislations. It has signed but not ratified this particular charter, and it´s waiting for its regional languages to die slowly, most of them are in endangered and dying status anyway. Any sanction or enforcement from E.U? Nope. Any public concern voiced against this? Well I haven´t heard but some Europeans are rather busy throwing **** on Turks from their self claimed moral high grounds so that is expectable.

 

As I said in my previous post, everybody should clean their own doorsteps first.

 

 



Edited (5/9/2010) by vineyards
Edited (5/10/2010) by vineyards



Thread: Turkey, Russia to lift visa requirement

483.       vineyards
1954 posts
 09 May 2010 Sun 03:52 am

Since a couple of decades ago, Turkey has been seeking to establish partnerships alternative to the make believe EU integration. Futurologists see no future in Europe. Russia with all its rich energy resources and rapidly increasing purchasing power is too hot a prospect to miss for Turkey.

 

There are a few more great things about being friends with Russians: e.g they do no threaten us when our parliament don´t let them  attack other nations using our territory which is something that the US takes for granted.

 

 



Thread: The differences in culture - Turkish/Kurdish

484.       vineyards
1954 posts
 08 May 2010 Sat 03:16 am

Barba is completely right here. Former Turkish governments were following way too nationalistic policies to realize that it is a natural right for anyone to speak their native language.

 

This is a problem caused by the common ignorance of the parties involved. On one side, there are the Kurds with medieval traditions and on the other the Turks wishing to part with the mistakes of the past.

 

We could not raise so many philosophers and pathfinders and we are paying for that lack now.

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 

EXCUSE ME? It wasn´t banned? Are you 10 years old or something? It´s not THAT long ago that you couldn´t sing Kurdish songs, you weren´t allowed to show a Kurdish flag, and stuff like that. Come on, be realistic. Untill 1991 the use of the Kurdish language in public was BANNED in Turkey. It was Turgut Özal who lifted the ban. This is not an idea of mine, this is a FACT. In my European country the use of Turkish in public was never banned. There have been Turkish schools aroud here for a very long time.

 

I think the Turkey of today is making improvements towards bringing Kurds and Turks together, but don´t pretend like the Turkish goverment never tried to oppress parts of the Kurdish culture.

 

 



Thread: Fred Wesley was here

485.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 11:42 pm

Fred and the crew actually stood at the gate shaking hands with the audience at the end of the concert. I also shook their hands and thanked for the music. I took a picture of the band with my mobile. When I transfer it to my PC, I will post it.



Thread: Turkey´s Eurovision Song for 2010

486.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 04:04 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

how is this song reflecting Turkish music?

 

 

 

As a matter of fact, for a Turkish listener it is day clear that this song is like a showcase of the little inventions that have been made especially in the anatolian rock genre over decades. Manga has skillfully put all this material in their song. There are moments where a couple of notes taste like Mogollar. There are also elements imported from Classical Turkish Music.  Regardless of the wrapping, this is a very Turkish sounding group.



Thread: Fred Wesley was here

487.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 03:52 am

On 23rd of April, Fred Wesley and the New JB´s gave a concert at GHETTO night club in Istiklal.

Wesley is a legendery funk/jazz trumbonist who played with the likes of Ray Charles and James Brown.

 

There were some foreigners and Turks watching the event on a smallish night club stage. I observed that the American audience knew how to dance to the Funky Jazz tunes. They were swinging low with their legs stretched.  This was way too freaky for someone who has a problem doing even the slowest dance.

 

Other Turks were trying to keep up but to no avail. The rhythm was different from what they are used to. So, they just swayed their bodies to the music.

 

I know many Turks like exotic forms of music but they are dealing mostly with the technicalities of it like how the bassist plays, how the trombone is played or how well the drummer plays his thing. There is simply no intention to dance. I sometimes wish I could dance. Fred Wesley must have noticed this and he urged people to move their bodies. I am sure he gets this in the States much more effortlessly.

 

All the band members were impressive musicians. Even the warm up guy that was on stage to sing a couple of songs was quite good. Very powerful and equally smooth music...

 

At the end of the days I was making calculations about the number of the audience and ticket prices and I was puzzled at finding out for what little sums these people come over to Turkey from thousands of kilometers away. Maybe, they are paid a standard sum. We must really support these little concerts.



Edited (4/25/2010) by vineyards



Thread: Famous Turks

488.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 03:32 am

I observe that users consider TC as their own property. That must be the reason why they bargain a lot when their messages are deleted. In fact, we have become like a family here. The same people fighting over similar things. But we must know when to stop.  

 

It is simply impossible to run a public forum without having some rules. so lemon, this not a place to speak casually as when you are in the company of your intimate friends. This is a public forum and we are responsible for all the statements we post here. This responsibility extends to site owners and even to mods. That is why we (mods) are doing our best by not allowing posts that might hurt the feelings of any group of people.

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

well, I know you too you are no angel either.

Oh boy, I have heard a lot of things about kazakhs, most of the time people associate me with borat. I was mocked and discriminated many times because im an asian. My children go through that too. and yet you havent heard or seen me screaming.

kazakhs hosted and still host a lot ethnicities willingly or not willingly.

For that reason talk for yourself whatever you fantasize about me.

 

Like it or not I will be talking of what I saw and know. Why should I be afraid of not being politically correct?

 

I never limited your or anyone´s freedom of speech unlike you or cat let me laugh at your hypocrisy now.

 

you and barba claim to know very much about gypsies yet so far havent heard any of your experiences.

barba told us about the drummer. then she admitted the lifestyle of gypsies, she confirmed it. thats all. not much, ha? for the big babbling WE LOVE EVERYONE, WE ARE WONDERFUL.

 

I am trying to guess whats your insight into this discussion? or you got bored by playing word games and decided to jump on a wagon of rightious defence team (of poor victims of lemon)? {#emotions_dlg.you_crazy}

 

 

 

 



Thread: Turkey´s Eurovision Song for 2010

489.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Apr 2010 Sun 03:21 am

Here is the link :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdw27j_usP0

 

What do you think?

 

I feel that Turkish music is slowly gaining recognition in Europe and Eurovision is one of the important channels. A few decades ago only a few Turkish musicians were known internationally. After the advent of the Internet and youtube this number has increased dramatically.



Thread: what caught my eye today

490.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Apr 2010 Fri 10:32 pm

In modern society, rape is a problem so is murder or theft. A civilized person is the one who can control his/her feelings so as not to resort to illegal avenues. Generally speaking, justice is meant for protecting the weak against the strong. Rapists therefore are punished when caught.

 

You probably trust your male friends. There are millions like you.  Majority of males would stay away from involuntary sex. As far as I have observed, a great deal of them detest paid sex too. That means, rapists constitute just a tiny bit of society. Nonetheless, the damage this tiny bit does to society is so grave.

 

Africa is another story. We must ask ourlselves, to what extent we can help the starving folks out there. Truth be told, we are not moving a finger. We let them go through the worst kind of nighmares including hunger and sexual abuses.

 

Some considerate guys in the civilized part of the world would like to make sure that at least raped women are not infected just because of being raped. After all, people have different priorities. Is it a wrong choice? I can´t tell....



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