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Thread: Norway does it again

551.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:55 am

 

Quoting Yersu

 

Oh come on vineyards, first of all I am Turkish, both as nationality and ethnically (and racially as well, I am yörük)

 

 

OK. I wrote it in the heat of the moment but I hope, I could get my message through in the end.

 



Thread: Norway does it again

552.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Jan 2010 Wed 12:07 am

You know sometimes we cannot be very accurate with the links we provide. Since our main intention is usually to support our own thesis, we occassionally come up with questionable references.

 

I don´t have to show any respect to those idiots who put up that list. Even a ten year old could discover the grotesque errors evident in the results. It is not even necessary to check out the methodology.

 

Some things can indeed be discovered using reasoning, that is how Chandrasekhar calculated the presence of blackholes. A list like that can not be prepared without having first hand knowledge about the countries ranked.

Quoting oeince

I had a look at the results of the results of the investigation. I said howcomes Austuria can be the 5th most peaceful country...Weren´t they suffer from extreme nationalist politicians power just a year ago? Then i looked Turkey´s ranking ohhh what a dengeraus country is that! Turkey is under Mali, Uganda, Cameroon, Iran, Turkmenistan, Haiti, Yemen, even Venezualla, even Cyprus, Malavi, Libya, Tanzania, Bolivia ( omg even USA what a horrible country is that

So i decided to check the indicators and methodology of the reseach. Becouse Turkey should be more peaceful than warrier countries or the counrtries where photograpy is even forbidden; or drug seller countries and internal warriers...

 

I realized that power of military is a negative indicator as well as conflicts with other countries. Potantiel to terrorist acts are also negative indicators.

According to those indicators it is very easy for a person to rank Turkey at the deepest place of the list. Turkey has a powerful military, has terrorizm, problems with Armenia and Cyprus. Guys, if Turkey werent support peace in the world she would not mass with finding diplomatic solutions to the conflicts with those countries. If terrorism werent being supported by "peaceful" countries things would be easier.

 

However that does not mean Turkey perfoms well about peace. She has serious problems on poltical instability, (but not as much as Mali has , terrorism, personal rights of all individuals and better relationships with neighbours although some of their´s difficile attitudes. Let me remind u that Turkey is in a very significant process to solve all those problems.

 

Coming back to the main thread i really dont think that Turkey deserves 0 on hostility to foreigners. We can rather talk about over hospitality to forigners especially if they are women Seriously i think that investigation does not display an objective view. But for sure we all have too much to do for peace in the country and peace in the world.

 

 



Thread: Norway does it again

553.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 11:54 pm

 

Quoting Yersu

I don´t blame Norway on this, stereotypes exist for a reason. That persons death has to be blamed as much on criminal immigrants who created the stereotype and who wouldn´t hesitate to blow the medics head off in such a scenario.

 

We should really get this people back from Europe, with the constantly rising tension they will both hurt and get hurt more and more. And how these people, for the love of God, become so extreme? There are more radical Islamists amongst the 5 mil. Turks in Europe than whole Turkey. Multiculturalism doesn´t work, neither for natives nor for immigrants.

 

Don´t worry nobody blames Norway for anything. With ill-famed people like those, they might as well send a team of veterinerians as these people are aggressive and dangerous by nature. They might use tranquilizers on the aggressive Turks. All indicators point out to a better success rate were a team of vets put in charge. This way, in countries like Norway, people of dubious nationalities could at least expect to receive some emergency service.

 

It is not necessary to bring up what happened to the poor woman. The Turks in Norway is one less now which is a welcome development. She would not be able to represent Turkey positively anyway.

 

As for arranging to get them sent back to Turkey. Yes that would indeed be the solution. We can build a giant fridge in the heart of Anatolia and keep them out of sight forever.



Thread: Norway does it again

554.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 03:37 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Armegon, Vineyards... as I said, you have every right to criticize racism when you see it in others, but since you are so sensitive to people´s suffering, how come I don´t see you criticizing yourselves/your country? People are people no matter what nationality they are, and you have more power changing your own country then other countries, and as it seems there is a lot of work you/your country need to do. I definitely sympathize with the victims of racism in Norway/Europe.. but I do not believe that some of the people here (and I don´t mean Vineyards) are so concerned with racism because they are sensitive to ALL racism, but only when people from their country/their religion encounter problems. They see no problem with their own racism.

 

Is there a ration of some sort. Do we have to criticize Turkey a set number of times before we can post a critique of Norway?



Thread: Norway does it again

555.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 02:24 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

Like I said... I have experienced very racist and discriminating comments by Turkish people, simply because they didn´t understand that they were actually talking about me I have Kurdish friends, and really had my toe wiggling in my shoes as Turkish people started talking very bad about Kurdish people to me. I´ve also been somewhere with a slick looking Zaza (he looked very Turkish I guess) who could understand a bunch of Kurdish kids who were saying bad things to him in Kurdish. Stuff like "Look at that idiot Turk in his suit, thinks he´s all that simply because he´s a Turk" The only thing that every country has in common is that every country has racists in them. I have been in Turkey, with Dutch people talking to me about how they wouldn´t like their daughter to be with a Turk... good enough for a holiday I guess, not good enough for a relationship. Luckily, every country also has some smart (or was it stupid ) people in them who are not racist, xenofobic, etc. Hopefully these people can educate those racists

 

While your post makes sense, my real emphasis is on the need of isolating incidents not combining them.

 

It is of course terrible that there are racists in Turkey. But it does not have anything to do with the situation in Norway. A mistake is a mistake everywhere...

 



Thread: Norway does it again

556.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 01:33 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

According to the Global Peace Index 2009, in the category of "hostility to foreigners" Norway gets 0/5, while Turkey gets 4/5. Where is your (Turkish people in general, and Vineyards in particular) criticism of yourselves? I only see how all of you complain of you being discriminated and victimized, but what about your own xenophobic and racist attitudes?

 

Under the circumstances, we must suggest that people should bring along their helmets, camouflage suits and bullet-proof vests when entering the country. Because as it seems, Turkey is only marginally better than likes of Afghanistan and Nigeria which are notoriously dangerous.

 

Those who have been here before. Don´t believe in your own eyes people, what you see is not always what you get. There are religious and political leaders who rank countries to their hearts´ content.

 



Edited (1/19/2010) by vineyards



Thread: Norway does it again

557.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 01:15 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

According to the Global Peace Index 2009, in the category of "hostility to foreigners" Norway gets 0/5, while Turkey gets 4/5. Where is your (Turkish people in general, and Vineyards in particular) criticism of yourselves? I only see how all of you complain of you being discriminated and victimized, but what about your own xenophobic and racist attitudes?

That is not to say that you are wrong to criticize others, but it sounds very suspicous and hypocritical when you yourselves behave in ways that apparently are worse then what you criticize in others.. and you don´t say or do anything about that. It kind of looks like Turkey has more to improve then Norway does in this respect..

 

Catwoman there seems to be no cure for the habitual misconception that inflict most of your comments. I don´t know how and where you picked it up but you are thinking almost solely by way of comparisons. Note: I should have said "by way of retaliations" here.

 

Imagine I am from Harlem and the guys in say Manhattan beat me up whenever I show up there. When I go to the police station and complain of the incidents and point out to the repeating nature of them also implying there is some sort of ethnic prejudice in it they say:

 

Now that you live in Harlem, you have no right to complain.

 

Instead of doing that I can post on Turkish Class or write to the editor etc. What does it take for you to understand it.

 

It is very rude of you to imply I have racistic, xenophobic and hypocritical attitudes. No matter what you say to deny having made these accusations it is clear that some of those directly or indirectly apply to me personally too.

 

Having posted all those critiques, I don´t think my private life is inflicted with any of the alleged accusations. Those of us who have known me personally will probably confirm this point.

 

If you think I went to the extremes by chosing a dubious title for the thread, picking a wrong article as reference and posting those messages, you can lock the thread, delete my posts and send me a warning. Because there is certainly nothing offensive in the language or the way it is brought up. But please, be careful when accusing people publicly with things like racism etc.

 

I am basically a user on these forums. Though I have responsibilities, I have no way to abuse or misuse any responsibility. I cannot cause deaths of people by misconduct or I cannot maul people by incorrectly enforcing the rules. Subject me to the kind of punishment that I am capable of receiving and don´t dare to compare them with gravity of mistakes committed on a public level.

 

 



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Thread: Kaymak of Ismailkoy

558.       vineyards
1954 posts
 19 Jan 2010 Tue 12:42 am

In 2002, I saw a cow which had been left tied to a stick under the burning sun of Bodrum. The animal was moaning loudly. I found a large bucket and filled it up with water and carried it near the animal and couldn´t believe in my eyes when it sucked all the water in seconds. I brought it another bucketful which it drank half of it in one go.



Thread: zıp zıp zıplamak

559.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 08:55 pm

Repeating words like that adds emphasis to the meaning conveyed by the sentence. There are a few rules:

 

zip zip zipla.

git git bitmiyor.

bak bak dur.

çevir çevir oku.

yolla yolla bitmiyor.

 

All these examples indicate that the verbs in question are done many times repetitively.

 

There is a similar situation involving adjectives; you can say:

 

yeşil: yemyeşil

sıcak: sıpsıcak

pembe: pespembe

duru: dupduru

kara: kapkara

tamam: tastamam

hızlı: hıphızlı

yoğun: yopyoğun

kalın: kapkalın

derin: depderin

zengin: zepzengin

mor: mosmor

taze: taptaze

ucuz: upucuz

 

As native speakers we can instantly find the correct usage but the rule is not easy to explain.

I could say, you just take a portion of the adjective and end it with either ´p´ or ´s´ depending on the consonant that follows but the real problem lies in the fact that not all adjectives can be used like that. You could do that but it will sound synthetic. For example, hıphızlı is OK but apacele is wrong and there is another more emphatic prefix exclusively for that particular word: alelacele. 



Edited (1/19/2010) by vineyards [suffix prefix etc]



Thread: VISA FREE COUNTRIES FOR TURKISH PASSPORT HOLDERS

560.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jan 2010 Mon 01:22 am

Turkey´s EU adventure began decades ago back in the 63 after Turkey signed an agreement. Since then there have always been unkept promises, lots of rescheduling, protests over broken promises etc. Some people in this country, especially the illimunated realize that the EU is nothing more than a device used by governments to make radical changes which would otherwise be a lot more difficult to achieve.

 

If everything proceeded according to the plan, Turkey would have become a member a long time ago. Unfortunately, none of this has ever been materialized. Turkey protested the fact that even former iron curtain countries which had no place in the initial plan have been generously offered European membership.

 

On the part of the European countries, EU membership is a tool for helping create an easier to control Turkey, and on the part of Turkish politicians it is a device for materializing their political desires. For example, Ak parti, played the EU card to open up a so called democratic window in the status quo driven political conjunture which they used to legalize their not-so-democratic ideals and to find a place for them in jurisdiction, justice and execution. They have realized all their objectives under the pretext of achieving compliance with the EU norms.

 

The entire history of Turkey-EU relationship is based on hypocrisy. After years of struggling all that Turkey has so far achieved is customs union which is more beneficial for Europe than it is for Turkey.

 

Turkey has now better options than the EU.



Edited (1/18/2010) by vineyards



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