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Thread: All Men Watch Porn, Scientists Find

601.       vineyards
1954 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 07:54 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

 

 

 So you think.. unfortunately!!

 

 I suggest that you discuss the subject not each other...



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

602.       vineyards
1954 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 07:49 pm

Libralady, basically you are saying these:

 

1- Europe is not very prejudiced against Turkey.

2- Only rich and highly skilled people are welcome in the UK.

3- Islam and Muslims are essentially bad therefore they deserve whatever they are subjected to.

 

And Trudy agrees with you. We can safely close this discussion and go ahead with our lives. The world will remain as it is. There will be forbidden islands, welfare zones open to only the previliged few. Those previliged few are welcome to running trusts, holdings, oil wells wherever they wish. In a nutshell, everything will go on the way it has always been. Just like some philosopher famously said, "Under the sun, everything is the same."

 

We all like to imagine there were a bit more decency in the world.

 

Imagine there´s no Heaven
It´s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there´s no countries
It isn´t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I´m a dreamer
But I´m not the only one
I hope someday you´ll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I´m a dreamer
But I´m not the only one
I hope someday you´ll join us
And the world will live as one



Thread: All Men Watch Porn, Scientists Find

603.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Dec 2009 Mon 08:50 am

I have no problem with the Gypsies. I might as well use the example of a Black boy growing up in notorious Harlem as has been done by many artists, singers etc.

 

What is implied here is the need for improving a skill in the absence of a other choices.

 

As long as you can not present what can be called a more ethical alternative to millions of young people who are forced economically to enter the porn industry you must not complain of the industry itself. Since it actually serves as a last resort to make up for society´s failing ends.

 

There are probably four kinds of females in the porn industry.

 

* Those economically forced to enter

* Those considering it as a golden key to a luxourious life.

* Those who are addicted to sex

* Those who are physically forced to enter.

 

 

The first one is more specifically a social problem whose cure is elsewhere. The second and the third are the acts of free choice. The fourth one is where the problem lies. Though illegal conduct is not an exclusive problem of the porn industry, since there seems to be a greater potential for crime and other attached moral considerations, it would be normal for this sector to exist under the scrutinity of the government.

 

Ironically, the porn industry also flourish in small welfare countries like Sweden and Germany where there are fewer economic complaints. In these countries, the general outlook is often different from that in big but not so homogeniously developed nations (e.g. US).

 

We should now question an age old phenomenon. Females relying on their physical beauty to get things done. While this is not the major incentive there are of course many women who use their bodies although they have no major economical difficulties. These women are like businessmen who trade their bodies in exchange of luxury. If you ask me, there is little difference between them and rich-husband-hunters.



Edited (12/8/2009) by vineyards



Thread: All Men Watch Porn, Scientists Find

604.       vineyards
1954 posts
 07 Dec 2009 Mon 01:19 am

If you are a gpsy boy the anonymously endorsed economic system that governs how income must be distributed entails that you should pick up a tambourine and master it at an as early age as possible. Otherwise, you may not be able to feed yourself, you may get sick, languish from starvation and die. There are pleny of other roles waiting to be taken up by people. If life brought you at the door of the porn industry, you had better knock on that door and do the job no matter how disgusting it is. Money you will earn from that will  keep your stomach full and it will even help you enjoy a prosperous life. Don´t forget that gipsy boy; remember,you are alone there, it is your decision, you don´t need the respect of anyone else. Go and fight for your life and if you have a child for it too.

 

Neither Vineyards, Catwoman or the bleeding hearts of artists can and will save you. Their suggestions are good for themselves. You take your own decision and determine your own fate.



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

605.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 11:16 pm

You could ask say LIR about this. As far as I know she lives in Turkey. It would be curious to know whether anyone in this country has ever questioned what she wore, what she thought and how she acted. I bet she enjoys complete freedom here. I have friends from the US or the Britain who live in Istanbul. They form their own groups and socialize themselves just as they would back home. Some of them don´t even speak Turkish although they are employed here.

 

But then we do not even refer to these people as immigrants nor do we expect them to comply...

 

At any given time, I believe there are more people from West thant there from East. They have the freedom to travel relentlessly. They are welcome to settle down wherever they wish but they naturally prefer to be where the money is.

 

Quoting Daydreamer

But, back on the subject, it´s easy to criticise west for how it´s treating eastern citizens while we lack the comparison. I mean, the number of westerners emigrating east is incomparably smaller than the other way around. Hypothetically, imagine that there are as many western immigrants in the east as there are eastern immigrants in the west. Do you expect the eastern countries suddenly changing their rules to cater for the western idea of freedom? Allowing alcohol, more revealing clothes, being constantly criticised from within? I don´t think so...

 

 



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

606.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 02:32 pm

Why would there be so many immigrants in Europe and US? There is no denying part of the incentive comes from the fact that those are wealth states and they advertise this point thanks to their being a center for mass media productions. A poor young man living in Kenya would not care a bit if American media did not target him giving him the idea that the US is a country of dreams, it is a place where dreams are fulfilled. This point is knowingly and strategically emphasized by the American propoganda machine. The ultimate purpose here is to create a pro-US sentiment in the third world countries. It is through this way that the US has that abnormal weight in the world´s economic and political scenes.

 

The Kenyan boy could ask you this question, how come the US and Europe have all these brands operating over here and everywhere? Who is the winning side in this equation? That guy will pay the US interest, profit and all sorts of other fees. He is free to love the US but he is not allowed to touch.

 

The punch line is, if you fly your flag all around the world, getting into financial, cultural, political relationships of all sorts, you end up with the migration problem.

 

The same thing happened to all the great empires including our own...

 

uoting Daydreamer

Having said that, I still think that minorities have more rights in Europe and the US than those outside it. It might be because of the number of immigrants, though.

 

 



Edited (12/4/2009) by vineyards



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

607.       vineyards
1954 posts
 04 Dec 2009 Fri 09:23 am

True but one needs to sit on the tip of an iceberg to be able to say that. Follow this reasoning:

 

- determine what is good and what is bad for the world

- establish institutions, rules and regulation to enforce it

- define what tolerance is and how much of it is healthy

- take financial and military action against those outside the circle

- and finally, question whether too much tolerance has been shown

 

I guess everyone else in Europe is already thinking along these lines. In my opinion, Europe is not the center of tolerance. On the contrary, Europe is the stronghold of a certain type of conservatism.  

 

 

Quoting Daydreamer

.....Could it be that we´ve already reached the peak of tolerance and are now just bouncing back? That´s definitely not the world I´d like to live in! Let´s not make a European version of Saudi or I´ll have to emigrate somewhere less restrictive. Antarctica? {#emotions_dlg.scared} I hate cold!!!)

 

 



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

608.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 11:19 pm

Barba, you are spot on with your description of Turkish men. The scope of that could be increased to cover most men on earth. You could safely say most, many, too many or whatever you like. We are not merely talking about observations though. On the contrary, what I mentioned in my previous post was about bureaucratic formalities, results of referandums etc.



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

609.       vineyards
1954 posts
 03 Dec 2009 Thu 10:52 am

Man has a life span of say 70-80 years. I have completed more than half of it. I have made the acquaintance of thousands of people from various countries. This experience entitles me to say a few words about them, writers do that too, philosophers rave about them and poets elaborate on their pecularities. They all rely on their first hand experience to be able to that.

 

Somehow, there is a typical anti-muslim, anti-turkish sentiment producing all sorts of political consequences throughout Europe. They use this sentiment to win elections. Referandums turn out negative.

 

I am sorry that I disagree with you but Europe is against Turkey and Islam and this is evident in their visa policies, unconditional support of the other thesis whenever Turkey forms one of the parties. Isn´t this a tell-tale proof of a deep rooted prejudice?  What did you think about Turkey before coming to see it? I know many people have been positively surprized on finding a country quite different from what they were told back home. 

 

There is no denying some of these also apply to Turkey but the sophisticated, iron-clad anti-Turkish sentiment prevalent in Europe is beyond any comparison.

 

There are millions of potential  tourists and businessmen who for all intents and purposes are eligible for entering a European country but they are daunted at the consulates where they are asked reports of bank balance sheets whereas this is private information from a legal point of view. Should there be the smalles suspicion about your intentions, you are denied of entry. You might obtain the visa and travel to a European country, there a policeman may send you back home. Everyone else is potentially good regardless of how they actually are but if you are a Turk you are potentially bad.

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

 Uhmmmm....no. Firstly, it´s not "European culture".... xenophobic reactions are human nature... evolution and all that, protect your own, spread the genes, all that. So to attach it to a single culture is unfounded... Secondly, there is no "European culture", it is a area with a lot of different histories and cultures that are sometimes intertwined, but really different. And thirdly, saying that in other European countries the result would be the same is just crazy. You underestimate people, and make you own assumptions based on nothing. The fact that the xenophobes scream the loudests makes it seem like they are the only people in certain countries, but that doesn´t mean they actually ARE the only people.

 

 



Thread: Minaret ban ´wins Swiss support´

610.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Dec 2009 Wed 03:43 pm

 

Quoting alameda

Yes another diversionary post. The fact of the matter is the vote was taken in Switzerland......NOT Turkey............deal with the issue at hand, not some hypothetical "if"...........and I guess you have not taken note of all the churches already in Turkey?..........but that is another issue.......

 

 

 

 

I agree with that. The most striking aspect of the country in the eyes of many foreign visitors after having seen Turkey for the first time how hospitable people generally are. Where I live, there are churches and synagogues kept in excellent condition regardless of how big their communities are.

 

Young people take photographs of these buildings, some light candles, some observe prayers although they don´t believe in this religion at all. This attitude can easily be generalized. There are also a few monsters here and there raised with the hatred of the world outside typical of the nationalist sentiment. Their attitude can hardly be generalized...

 

Nevertheless, in Athens majority thinks there is no room in the city even for a single mosque.

In Switzerland, they don´t want to see the minarets. They have no problem accepting petrodollars in their ´private´ bank accounts.

 

During the WWII they felt nothing wrong about robbing the Jewish of their property and money in association with the Nazis. There must indeed be a certain profound attitude towards foreigners. Prime Minister Erdogan refered to the result of the referandum as a new type of antisemitism.



Edited (12/2/2009) by vineyards



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