IT'S SAD TO SEE THAT MOST OF TURKISH MEN HAVE SUCH A BAD OPINION ABOUT WESTERN WEMEN..THAN WHAT THEY WANT FROM US IF IN THEIR OPPINION THE TURKISH WOMEN ARE SO WONDERFULL,SO PERFECT?...I HAVE TURKISH FEMALE FRIENDS.I TALKED SO MANY TIMES ABOUT THEIR LIVES,I HEARD SO MANY STORIES ABOUT THEIR FEMALE FRIENDS,WOMENS THAT I'VE NEVER MET...ALL I CAN SAY IS THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND WESTERN WOMENS...THEY ARE ALSO CRY AND SUFFER BECAUSE OF TURKISH MEN,THEY HOPE HAVING A TRUE LOVE,THEY DO THE SAME MISTAKES AS US IN THE NAME OF WHAT WE CALL "LOVE",THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS LIKE US...AND SOMETIMES TURKISH WOMEN ARE TREATED BY THE TURKISH MEN IN THE SAME WAY AS THEY TREAT THE WESTERN WOMENS,SOMETIMES WORST THAN US...

That Turkish men have a generally bad opinion of Western ladies is not correct.

Most of the Western ladies I have met in my lifetime were extremely nice.

I do not think some of the ladies here can be considered representatives of Western culture...or of any culture..

Watch it...You will lose your Brownie points ....

Yes, I was wondering if that might appear I was backing down. You see, I realized your standards and semantics are different & changed to a more easy to understood word, unwise from promiscuous

AEnigma said: "Without wishing this "argument" to become a regular feature - or even a saga ( ) - I have noticed that you often contradict yourself between posts and I do get confused. You go from saying that women who believe in sex before marriage are "promiscuous" and then the next day you deny it and merely call them "unwise". "

Given the amount of failed relationships and the proliferation of services and sites, as well as the time tested nature of the system, perhaps it's not such a bad idea? I mean, how do people find suitable mates? I think it can be summed up with knowing that in the "West" people Fall in love, where as in the "East" they find compatible mates to fall in love with.

AEnigma said: "You now write three paragraphs about having a soulmate and being loved and needing a mate. However, the last time we discussed marriage you were saying that you should not marry for love, but for family compatibility and having shared culture and interests - in fact, advocating arranged marriages! "

Perhaps if you think of it as blessing your relationship, rather than a legalization, it would be more palatable? Anyway, it's a question of semantics....

AEnigma said: "Anyway, for the ermmmm 7th time (?), I would point out (again) that sex without marriage does not equate promiscuity. If I choose not to marry, it doesn't mean I dont want a "soulmate" or to be loved. I don't have religious feelings towards marriage and I dont enjoy the idea of having to "legalise" my partnership or to fit in with the "norm". I don't particularly relish being a "wife" either thanks. However, this does not make me any less virtuous or pure than someone who chooses marriage."

Ahhh Victoria....poor lady probably would be horrified to know her privacy had been compromised in such a way.
Ewwww

AEnigma said: "PS. Must admit to being a bit shocked at Victoria's "toys" too "

Discussion over now?
Wanna talk about old monks???