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Turkish ground troops enter Iraq - latest news
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 01:32 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting thehandsom: That is why this stupid war is still going on and we are still losing all those young boys for nothing.. |
for nothing? Go to the levent metro station and look at the HSBC building and tell me it is for nothing... |
I told you previously, I think, KeithL.
Levent HSBC building is nothing to do with PKK.
You are mixing who is who..
Just for the record, once more: HSBC and british consulate incidents were works of al kaide for british involvment in iraq.
Actually, it must be an american thing. Your president 'ingenously' tried to make people believe 9/11 was related to iraq too 
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 01:50 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting KeithL: Quoting thehandsom: That is why this stupid war is still going on and we are still losing all those young boys for nothing.. |
for nothing? Go to the levent metro station and look at the HSBC building and tell me it is for nothing... |
I told you previously, I think, KeithL.
Levent HSBC building is nothing to do with PKK.
You are mixing who is who..
Just for the record, once more: HSBC and british consulate incidents were works of al kaide for british involvment in iraq.
Actually, it must be an american thing. Your president 'ingenously' tried to make people believe 9/11 was related to iraq too
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C'mon now thats hardly any one else's fault apart from Mr Bush,you can't blame American's for that and anyway i'm not even sure if Keith is American,i thought you were British Keith?! :-S
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 01:59 pm |
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Quoting SERA_2005:
C'mon now thats hardly any one else's fault apart from Mr Bush,you can't blame American's for that and anyway i'm not even sure if Keith is American,i thought you were British Keith?! :-S |
But, did you know that just before the invasion, I think, 50% of americans believed that 9/11 somehow got to do with Iraq? It is just so laughable ...
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 02:04 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Gates: Turkey raid won't solve problems
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080224/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gates |
I dont think he is saying something new which we dont know.
We know that THIS INCURSION IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE ANYTHING.
It is just another incident which will set back the final peace in Turkey..
I agree with some of Fikret Bila's assesments in previous post. The parts I agree with are related to Turkey foreign politics.
But there are also some side effects of this incursion which are related to internal politics of Turkey. Specially the army's desire to keep its current powerful status in Turkish politics.
Unfortunatelly the visible results are death of those young people and some others in northern Iraq.
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 03:30 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting SERA_2005:
C'mon now thats hardly any one else's fault apart from Mr Bush,you can't blame American's for that and anyway i'm not even sure if Keith is American,i thought you were British Keith?! :-S |
But, did you know that just before the invasion, I think, 50% of americans believed that 9/11 somehow got to do with Iraq? It is just so laughable ... |
It is overall border control in the east. You cannot compare America's 9/11 with Turkey's war with the PKK. Are you trying to say that none of the boms in recent years have been set by the PKK. Whats your solution hansom, give away southeastern Turkey? I assumed you were a Turk but I can see I assumed incorrect...
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 03:53 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting SERA_2005:
C'mon now thats hardly any one else's fault apart from Mr Bush,you can't blame American's for that and anyway i'm not even sure if Keith is American,i thought you were British Keith?! :-S |
But, did you know that just before the invasion, I think, 50% of americans believed that 9/11 somehow got to do with Iraq? It is just so laughable ... |
It is overall border control in the east. You cannot compare America's 9/11 with Turkey's war with the PKK. Are you trying to say that none of the boms in recent years have been set by the PKK. Whats your solution hansom, give away southeastern Turkey? I assumed you were a Turk but I can see I assumed incorrect... |
I never said 'none of the boms in recent years have been set by the PKK', or as a solution 'give away southeastern Turkey'!!
did I?
But, at least, one of your assumptions was true..I am a Turk.
I hate speaking in this tone but you are forcing me!
Look.
Turkey has made serious mistakes about our kurdish problems in the past. Insisting that these incursions are going to solve the problems means INSISTING on the past mistakes.
And those mistakes caused 10s of thousands of lives in Turkey. Do you want more blodshed?!!!!
In the end, we(turks and kurds) are trying to find ways of living together.
And each of these incursions and all these rethorics about 'wow, this is the last one, we will finish of them etc etc' IS NOT HELPING..
IT IS UNDERMINING/DELAYING the peaceful solution.
Dont you see that it is sharpening the positions in Turkey?
Dont you see that all these forcing kurdish kurdish people to become more nationalistic?
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 03:58 pm |
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I agree with almost everything you say here. But I don't think that relaxing on PKK will make the kurds any less determined for a state of their own. And if Turkey stops its fight against the PKK now, all the thousands of lives lost will be in vain. Its sad, but no country has been created or defended without bloodshed. A grim fact of life...
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 05:09 pm |
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 05:46 pm |
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It is useless to tell some peanuts here that the fight is not between Kurds and Turks.
It is between Turkia and PKK, the latter a terrorist organisation. It would not have made any difference for Turkia, if the terrorists were of Turkish ethnic origin.
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 06:05 pm |
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Ah ah..
memleketim, memleketim!!
I, sometimes really wonder if aziz nesin was telling the truth when he said 'Turks are not very intelligent'.
I guess, he was right upto a certain degree, if he was not right 100%!!!
Sometimes, i really become pessimistic..
How come we never learn from our mistakes?
How come we can be this blood thirsty?
How come, as a whole nation, we switch from the truth so easily. With just an operation!
Phew!!!
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24 Feb 2008 Sun 06:13 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Ah ah..
memleketim, memleketim!!
I, sometimes really wonder if aziz nesin was telling the truth when he said 'Turks are not very intelligent'.
I guess, he was right upto a certain degree, if he was not right 100%!!!
Sometimes, i really become pessimistic..
How come we never learn from our mistakes?
How come we can be this blood thirsty?
How come, as a whole nation, we switch from the truth so easily. With just an operation!
Phew!!!
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Hahahaha, be careful what you're saying, you know what happened to Azis Nesin! You can't win with the mob.
I would argue though that there's at least a couple intelligent Turks, the ones who manage to control the rest of them so well. Of course I'm just kidding.
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