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23 April National Sovereignty and Children's Day
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 12:26 pm |
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The founder of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, dedicated April 23 to the children of the country to emphasize that they are the future of the new nation. It was on April 23, 1920, during the War of Independence, that the Grand National Assembly met in Ankara and laid down the foundations of a new, independent, secular, and modern republic from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire.
Every year, the children in Turkey celebrate this 'Sovereignty and Children's Day' as a national holiday. Schools participate in week-long ceremonies marked by performances in all fields in large stadiums watched by the entire nation. Among the activities on this day, the children send their representatives to replace state officials and high ranking bureaucrats in their offices. The President, the Prime Minister, the Cabinet Ministers, provincial governors all turn over their positions to children's representatives. These children, in turn, sign executive orders relating to educational and environmental policies. On this day, the children also replace the parliamentarians in the Grand National Assembly and hold a special session to discuss matters concerning children's issues.
Over the last two decades, the Turkish officials have been working hard to internationalize this important day. Their efforts resulted in large number of world states' sending groups of children to Turkey to participate in the above stated festivities. During their stay in Turkey, the foreign children are housed in Turkish homes and find an important opportunity to interact with the Turkish kids and learn about each other's countries and cultures. The foreign children groups also participate in the special session of the Grand National Assembly. This results in a truly international Assembly where children pledge their commitment to international peace and brotherhood.
The importance of April 23 as a special day of children has been recognized by the international community. UNICEF decided to recognize this important day as the International Children's Day.
'PEACE AT HOME, PEACE IN THE WORLD' M. Kemal Ataturk, founder of the Turkish Republic.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 01:51 pm |
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Today is not a day for the children, it is a day for children to praise Atatürk, as usual his picture is plastered everywhere. I wonder if this is what he intended when he declared this holiday..? Is it not more important to focus on children's rights etc. on this day, indeed in this country where playing on dirty trafficated streets is a normal thing for children?
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 02:50 pm |
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 03:01 pm |
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Awww.
It is a great day for office workers! We all get a much deserved day off!
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 03:23 pm |
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It's St George's day in England-but no day off!
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 03:27 pm |
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Quoting sonunda: It's St George's day in England-but no day off! |
They are talking about it, that is about it!
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 04:03 pm |
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Quoting azade: Today is not a day for the children, it is a day for children to praise Atatürk, as usual his picture is plastered everywhere. I wonder if this is what he intended when he declared this holiday..? Is it not more important to focus on children's rights etc. on this day, indeed in this country where playing on dirty trafficated streets is a normal thing for children? |
I was %100 sure before I posted this that some of members on this site will criticize this as usual and others will support you. You are against everything about turkey, not only Ataturk. you and some of your friends keeps accusing Ataturk all the time. why are u always looking for something else behind nice things??? There are Ataturk pictures everywhere coz turkish ppl loves him and sees him as a national leader. Everybody knows that Ataturk loved children and he often said: "Children are a new beginning of tomorrow". that s why he dedicated this important day "new beginning og Turkish Republic" to Children. Ataturk did everything for this country he didnt want anything for himself.
And I wonder too, why admin supports those members who keep attacking all national things about Turkey. It s not freedom of speech. it s just an insult. what a shame!
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 04:11 pm |
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Quoting azade: Today is not a day for the children, it is a day for children to praise Atatürk, as usual his picture is plastered everywhere. I wonder if this is what he intended when he declared this holiday..? Is it not more important to focus on children's rights etc. on this day, indeed in this country where playing on dirty trafficated streets is a normal thing for children? |
I can NOT see any insult in this post to anybody.
It is just a subjective observation.
And what is wrong with that?
And what is wrong with saying "more important to focus on children's rights" ?
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 04:22 pm |
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Quoting azade: Atatürk, as usual his picture is plastered everywhere. I wonder if this is what he intended when he declared this holiday..? |
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 04:45 pm |
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Quoting janissary: I was %100 sure before I posted this that some of members on this site will criticize this as usual and others will support you. You are against everything about turkey, not only Ataturk. you and some of your friends keeps accusing Ataturk all the time. why are u always looking for something else behind nice things??? There are Ataturk pictures everywhere coz turkish ppl loves him and sees him as a national leader. Everybody knows that Ataturk loved children and he often said: "Children are a new beginning of tomorrow". that s why he dedicated this important day "new beginning og Turkish Republic" to Children. Ataturk did everything for this country he didnt want anything for himself.
And I wonder too, why admin supports those members who keep attacking all national things about Turkey. It s not freedom of speech. it s just an insult. what a shame! |
I do hope you are not becoming paranoid. I have searched and searched this short thread and can see no other posts supporting Azade's comments. I do not believe Admin is trying to support any particular opinion...merely trying to keep the forum open to ALL opinions instead of unnecessarily over-moderating and treating us like...(I will hold my tongue and say "children".)
Ataturk loved children? Have you ever met anyone who didn't!? 
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:11 pm |
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Quoting janissary:
And I wonder too, why admin supports those members who keep attacking all national things about Turkey. It s not freedom of speech. it s just an insult. what a shame! |
Jannissary. I can only speak for myself, but I do not support Azade's comments. Her comments are a little negative, but I don't find it insulting. I also try to look at her perspective. She is a foreigner that has lived/is living in Kurdish area of Turkey. Her perspective of this holiday would be what she hears from those she is surrounded by. Again, I don't agree with her, but she said nothing that deserves censoring.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:13 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting janissary: I was %100 sure before I posted this that some of members on this site will criticize this as usual and others will support you. You are against everything about turkey, not only Ataturk. you and some of your friends keeps accusing Ataturk all the time. why are u always looking for something else behind nice things??? There are Ataturk pictures everywhere coz turkish ppl loves him and sees him as a national leader. Everybody knows that Ataturk loved children and he often said: "Children are a new beginning of tomorrow". that s why he dedicated this important day "new beginning og Turkish Republic" to Children. Ataturk did everything for this country he didnt want anything for himself.
And I wonder too, why admin supports those members who keep attacking all national things about Turkey. It s not freedom of speech. it s just an insult. what a shame! |
I do hope you are not becoming paranoid. I have searched and searched this short thread and can see no other posts supporting Azade's comments. I do not believe Admin is trying to support any particular opinion...merely trying to keep the forum open to ALL opinions instead of unnecessarily over-moderating and treating us like...(I will hold my tongue and say "children".)
Ataturk loved children? Have you ever met anyone who didn't!? |
I think u are new on this site. if so, u dont know anything about these members or what s going on here. maybe u are an old member with a different nickname. I dont care. coz there are many. whatever I post about turkey and turkish culture, same members post their comments about it with an insult. I posted this coz today is an national festival of children. Azade is trying to say this day is for children to make them praise for ataturk. not me but she is being paranoid maybe u dont know but there is a group on this site who support each other. they have moderators and they can say whatever they want. they answer for each other.
I wanted to share this celebration with everybody as a turkish citizen. but as usual they find something to criticize. coz we are "narrow-minded".
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:17 pm |
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from a poem read out today by a 7-8 year old student during the ceremony at my school!
TÃœRK ÇOCUĞU DİYOR Kİ (the turkish child says)
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Tarihten eski yaşım,(older than history i am)
Harpte eğilmez başım,(i know no defeat in war)
Toplar can yoldaşımdır,(cannons my bosom friend)
Silahlar arkadaşım.(rifles my friend)
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by Halil SOYUER
PEACE AT HOME PEACE IN THE WORLD (to be brought by Turkish kids) 
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:24 pm |
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And somehow the nice post or at least the post that supposed to attract attention to this part of Turkish culture is turning into a political debate and mutual accusations.
I hope that children have fun today.All
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:30 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Jannissary. I can only speak for myself, but I do not support Azade's comments. Her comments are a little negative, but I don't find it insulting. I also try to look at her perspective. She is a foreigner that has lived/is living in Kurdish area of Turkey. Her perspective of this holiday would be what she hears from those she is surrounded by. Again, I don't agree with her, but she said nothing that deserves censoring. |
This sounds rather condescending to Azade. If her perspective is from the Kurdish areas in Turkey, does it make it less valid? If so, this implies that Kurdish-Turkish are less important than Kemalists from Ankara and Istanbul!
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:33 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting KeithL: Jannissary. I can only speak for myself, but I do not support Azade's comments. Her comments are a little negative, but I don't find it insulting. I also try to look at her perspective. She is a foreigner that has lived/is living in Kurdish area of Turkey. Her perspective of this holiday would be what she hears from those she is surrounded by. Again, I don't agree with her, but she said nothing that deserves censoring. |
This sounds rather condescending to Azade. If her perspective is from the Kurdish areas in Turkey, does it make it less valid? If so, this implies that Kurdish-Turkish are less important than Kemalists from Ankara and Istanbul!
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Not condescending. Everyone's perspective is valid.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:34 pm |
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Quoting janissary: I wanted to share this celebration with everybody as a turkish citizen. but as usual they find something to criticize. coz we are "narrow-minded". |
I don't believe anyone considers you narrow minded. However, from what I have read, your posts seem to mostly include references to your own political ideals and seem somewhat nationalistic. For some, this can be hard to stomach...
The day everyone agrees on politics is the day the world ends 
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:37 pm |
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I don't hide it. My turkish politics lean towards Kemalism. My views are biased just as all our views are biased.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:40 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting KeithL: Jannissary. I can only speak for myself, but I do not support Azade's comments. Her comments are a little negative, but I don't find it insulting. I also try to look at her perspective. She is a foreigner that has lived/is living in Kurdish area of Turkey. Her perspective of this holiday would be what she hears from those she is surrounded by. Again, I don't agree with her, but she said nothing that deserves censoring. |
This sounds rather condescending to Azade. If her perspective is from the Kurdish areas in Turkey, does it make it less valid? If so, this implies that Kurdish-Turkish are less important than Kemalists from Ankara and Istanbul!
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good point!
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:42 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting janissary: I wanted to share this celebration with everybody as a turkish citizen. but as usual they find something to criticize. coz we are "narrow-minded". |
I don't believe anyone considers you narrow minded. However, from what I have read, your posts seem to mostly include references to your own political ideals and seem somewhat nationalistic. For some, this can be hard to stomach...
The day everyone agrees on politics is the day the world ends |
Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob  I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:48 pm |
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I didnt post anything politics. today is a national festival. today all turkey celebrate it with their chidren. I just wanted to share this event with other members who are interested in turkey. but as usual, they converted it to politics again. always same members if ı post "hello" believe me it will be a politics discussion.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 05:51 pm |
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quoting janissary
I didnt post anything politics. today is a national festival. today all turkey celebrate it with their chidren. I just wanted to share this event with other members who are interested in turkey. but as usual, they converted it to politics again. always same members if ı post "hello" believe me it will be a politics discussion.¨
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I had such feeling that the post was informative not political
wanna bet???? post hello please,i would like to see if you are right
+10000
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 06:04 pm |
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janissary, if your purpose is just to celebrate why dont you just say, "Happy 23rd April!!"
-because, as u mentioned in your first post, if it is an international celebration many parents of the world, and of course the ones using tc (cos their children are supposed to celebrate it too) would know what you mean by 23rd April...
-and the ones who didn't understand what u mean by 23rd April festivities could just search and learn about it (if they were interested).
-still that you wrote and informed people about it is ok... even it would be a kind gesture by you. but if u ask me, your text has some drawbacks and involves inconsistencies;
such as: it is a gift given to children of the world by Ataturk, so children of other nationalities needn't join the Turkish children while they cry out, "Ne mutlu Türk'üm diyene" do they??
are children from different nationalities here today to bless the Turkish nation or to enjoy making friends and learn about other cultures...
PS: this isn't an aggressive post involving hatred!
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 06:25 pm |
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soo sorry. I didnt know this post will offend some members "happy 23th april" are u all happy now?
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 06:35 pm |
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Quoting janissary: soo sorry. I didnt know this post will offend some members "happy 23th april" are u all happy now? |
Sana da Janissary - sagol.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 08:04 pm |
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Quoting janissary: I didnt post anything politics. today is a national festival. today all turkey celebrate it with their chidren. I just wanted to share this event with other members who are interested in turkey. but as usual, they converted it to politics again. always same members if ı post "hello" believe me it will be a politics discussion.
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I see 23 posts here, only one is critical with some critism from a Native Turk. Who are "they" who converted it to politics? Who are the same members?
I think it is a rather nice idea, to celebrate children as they are the future of any country, to celebrate children and allow them to be chilren with games, free entry to fun parks, day out somewhere fun and lots of icrecream with trickster fez wearing icecream sellers!.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 08:29 pm |
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happy children day...There is no place called ''kurdish area'' in Turkey...all part of Turkey is called ''Turkey''...if u wanna see any place called ''kurdish area'', go to Northern part of Iraq...
This day was presented to innocent children of the this dirty world...instead of criticising this post,u should celebrate, and remember of all children.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 08:31 pm |
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Quoting Avalon:
I hope that children have fun today.All
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Why all this fuss to turn my original post into something it's not?
The general picture today does not vary from any other day except the flags everywhere; children play their usual games on the streets in front of their homes. Sure there organized shows with costumes and dancing, but their purpose, sadly, is false. http://www.turkishclass.com/picture_11520
In my initial post I simply wanted to direct attention to the rights of children, because it has been neglected on this day - their day. Why were we the only ones on our block to buy sweets and dedicate time to them, with all the effort in putting posters and flags up, one would think the municipality would have time to organize some kind of fun and games for them. Anything goes, or if not, they should just change it to Ulusal Egemenlik Bayramı instead of leading everyone behind the light.
On a side note I have nothing against Atatürk AT ALL, he was a fine leader, but I strongly oppose the way people today steal focus of something that is very important. Enough politics already, today is children's day, a lighter spirit would suit it much better.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 10:12 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: Quoting magnadea: Quoting janissary: I wanted to share this celebration with everybody as a turkish citizen. but as usual they find something to criticize. coz we are "narrow-minded". |
I don't believe anyone considers you narrow minded. However, from what I have read, your posts seem to mostly include references to your own political ideals and seem somewhat nationalistic. For some, this can be hard to stomach...
The day everyone agrees on politics is the day the world ends |
Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs |
sekerim, we are as nationalist as you...
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 10:17 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting Avalon: Quoting magnadea: Quoting janissary: I wanted to share this celebration with everybody as a turkish citizen. but as usual they find something to criticize. coz we are "narrow-minded". |
I don't believe anyone considers you narrow minded. However, from what I have read, your posts seem to mostly include references to your own political ideals and seem somewhat nationalistic. For some, this can be hard to stomach...
The day everyone agrees on politics is the day the world ends |
Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs |
sekerim, we are as nationalist as you... |
is this a complement ,canim?
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 11:45 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs |
Also... don't forget. It is time for you to stop giving advice, Mrs multiple personality problem 
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 11:56 pm |
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Well I just want to say Thank you as I forgot that today was children's day. I quickly called Turkey to give my love to the children in the family. I know that it is very important for them and they make it a very nice family day.
This is another thing that I love about Turkey. Family is very important and respected. Traditions are carried on.
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23 Apr 2008 Wed 11:58 pm |
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Quoting lovebug: This is another thing that I love about Turkey. Family is very important and respected. |
Although I don't think that they got the balance completely right, it is good that families care about each other.
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 02:07 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Mrs multiple personality problem |
hahahaha
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 03:41 am |
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maybe nobody on tc knows...
21st november 2005, Uğur Kaymaz, a 12 year old boy (and his father) was killed in an operation "against pkk" in Mardin, turkey... a 12 year-old boy killed for being a member of a terrorist organization... he was shot dead by 13 bullets 8 of which fired from 50 cm distance...
the tragedy goes on: 4 policemen who shot him dead are still being judged of "shooting wrong target for 2-6 years imprisonment out of fear and panic" while Uğur's widowed mother is accused and being judged for 15 years imprisonment for being member of terrorist organization...
me and hundred thousands living in turkey are sure that policemen will go free soon and the mother will get the 15 years imprisonment...
yesterday, was 23rd april... children's day! Uğur Kaymaz was a child.. most probably he would have read a poem blessing the turkish nation today in the ceremony at his school if his bones hadnt been decayed today...
you people wont be able to make me believe 23rd april is a day for peace! it is simply not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 08:16 am |
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Quoting gernas: maybe nobody on tc knows...
21st november 2005, Uğur Kaymaz, a 12 year old boy (and his father) was killed in an operation "against pkk" in Mardin, turkey... a 12 year-old boy killed for being a member of a terrorist organization... he was shot dead by 13 bullets 8 of which fired from 50 cm distance...
the tragedy goes on: 4 policemen who shot him dead are still being judged of "shooting wrong target for 2-6 years imprisonment out of fear and panic" while Uğur's widowed mother is accused and being judged for 15 years imprisonment for being member of terrorist organization...
me and hundred thousands living in turkey are sure that policemen will go free soon and the mother will get the 15 years imprisonment...
yesterday, was 23rd april... children's day! Uğur Kaymaz was a child.. most probably he would have read a poem blessing the turkish nation today in the ceremony at his school if his bones hadnt been decayed today...
you people wont be able to make me believe 23rd april is a day for peace! it is simply not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yes we all remember this day, there is no age for terrorist...dont try to arose pity for that people...when that children kill a police, or bombed somewhere as these were happened, u call them ''hero''.
First of all u have to accept that PKK is terrorist organisation.We all have right to kill all terrorists, I dont care about their age...
and DONT FORGET, few months ago that kurdish terrorist organisation killed students of a college by exploding a bomb at the entrance.they were also children...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0dn6y9-mTE
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:04 am |
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Quoting janissary: Quoting azade: Today is not a day for the children, it is a day for children to praise Atatürk, as usual his picture is plastered everywhere. I wonder if this is what he intended when he declared this holiday..? Is it not more important to focus on children's rights etc. on this day, indeed in this country where playing on dirty trafficated streets is a normal thing for children? |
I was %100 sure before I posted this that some of members on this site will criticize this as usual and others will support you. You are against everything about turkey, not only Ataturk. you and some of your friends keeps accusing Ataturk all the time. |
How about getting some professional help Janissary before your paranoia gets you seriously? Azade was not critical of Ataturk or the holiday and no other member even commented on her post before you attacked her for nothing.
So, you disagree with her? Are there no problems children face in Turkey? Are you sure Ataturk meant this day as a celebration of his very own person rather than focusing on children? Did he ever say anything like - on April 23rd, put my posters up on every wall and let children worship me? It's pretty hard to imagine given that he was a good leader. Of course, I am not Turkish so I know nothing about him but I like to believe that what makes people great are their actions, not what people make of them after they die. How do you know he wouldn't smack you on the butt for worshipping him but not doing anything to continue his idea? (Mind you - talking about how great he was will not improve your country. Instead of praying to him, do something that would make him proud of you, make children's life better for example)
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:14 am |
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As always great, reasonable comment DD....
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:23 am |
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Quoting catwoman: As always great, reasonable comment DD.... |
I'm sure Janissary will agree with you
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:27 am |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting gernas: maybe nobody on tc knows...
21st november 2005, Uğur Kaymaz, a 12 year old boy (and his father) was killed in an operation "against pkk" in Mardin, turkey... a 12 year-old boy killed for being a member of a terrorist organization... he was shot dead by 13 bullets 8 of which fired from 50 cm distance...
the tragedy goes on: 4 policemen who shot him dead are still being judged of "shooting wrong target for 2-6 years imprisonment out of fear and panic" while Uğur's widowed mother is accused and being judged for 15 years imprisonment for being member of terrorist organization...
me and hundred thousands living in turkey are sure that policemen will go free soon and the mother will get the 15 years imprisonment...
yesterday, was 23rd april... children's day! Uğur Kaymaz was a child.. most probably he would have read a poem blessing the turkish nation today in the ceremony at his school if his bones hadnt been decayed today...
you people wont be able to make me believe 23rd april is a day for peace! it is simply not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yes we all remember this day, there is no age for terrorist...dont try to arose pity for that people...when that children kill a police, or bombed somewhere as these were happened, u call them ''hero''.
First of all u have to accept that PKK is terrorist organisation.We all have right to kill all terrorists, I dont care about their age...
and DONT FORGET, few months ago that kurdish terrorist organisation killed students of a college by exploding a bomb at the entrance.they were also children...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0dn6y9-mTE |
NOBODY, but nobody kills a 12 years old and brush it off simply saying that 'he was a terrorist'.
Whoever kills childeren, they are terrorist and child killers themselves.
And my country does NOT deserve this and those child killers.
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:46 am |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Avalon: Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs |
Also... don't forget. It is time for you to stop giving advice, Mrs multiple personality problem |
Sorry,it looks that you are in charge of this monopol Yeah,you Poles,you know everything!!!
what about magnadea?the same problem???Multiple personality 
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 10:59 am |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Lapinkulta:
We all have right to kill all terrorists, I dont care about their age...
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NOBODY, but nobody kills a 12 years old and brush it off simply saying that 'he was a terrorist'.
Whoever kills childeren, they are terrorist and child killers themselves.
And my country does NOT deserve this and those child killers.
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instead of criticising my post, u should read my other posts and say your support about ''murderers of babies, PKK...
in additon these, dont choice any sentences to comment, read full story as I wrote...
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 11:53 am |
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Quoting Avalon: Quoting catwoman: Quoting Avalon: Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs |
Also... don't forget. It is time for you to stop giving advice, Mrs multiple personality problem |
Sorry,it looks that you are in charge of this monopol Yeah,you Poles,you know everything!!!
what about magnadea?the same problem???Multiple personality |
Why plural here and what does Cat's being Polish have to do with the issue? It took me a while as I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box but now I know what's with ya.
Everybody - DNFTT
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 12:10 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting gernas: maybe nobody on tc knows...
21st november 2005, Uğur Kaymaz, a 12 year old boy (and his father) was killed in an operation "against pkk" in Mardin, turkey... a 12 year-old boy killed for being a member of a terrorist organization... he was shot dead by 13 bullets 8 of which fired from 50 cm distance...
the tragedy goes on: 4 policemen who shot him dead are still being judged of "shooting wrong target for 2-6 years imprisonment out of fear and panic" while Uğur's widowed mother is accused and being judged for 15 years imprisonment for being member of terrorist organization...
me and hundred thousands living in turkey are sure that policemen will go free soon and the mother will get the 15 years imprisonment...
yesterday, was 23rd april... children's day! Uğur Kaymaz was a child.. most probably he would have read a poem blessing the turkish nation today in the ceremony at his school if his bones hadnt been decayed today...
you people wont be able to make me believe 23rd april is a day for peace! it is simply not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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yes we all remember this day, there is no age for terrorist...dont try to arose pity for that people...when that children kill a police, or bombed somewhere as these were happened, u call them ''hero''.
First of all u have to accept that PKK is terrorist organisation.We all have right to kill all terrorists, I dont care about their age...
and DONT FORGET, few months ago that kurdish terrorist organisation killed students of a college by exploding a bomb at the entrance.they were also children...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0dn6y9-mTE |
NOBODY, but nobody kills a 12 years old and brush it off simply saying that 'he was a terrorist'.
Whoever kills childeren, they are terrorist and child killers themselves.
And my country does NOT deserve this and those child killers.
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instead of criticising my post, u should read my other posts and say your support about ''murderers of babies, PKK...
in additon these, dont choice any sentences to comment, read full story as I wrote... |
I have done the correction!!
Does it change anything at all?
Supporting pkk is different than opposing killing a child.
If you are NOT opposing killing a child, you should seriously think about what you believe
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 12:58 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: it is so strange that number of anti-Turk members are getting here...and strange coz some members are coming back with different nicknames... |
Having different ideas on politics to you, your brother and KeithL does not make me "anti-Turk" - you are as bad as your brother!
I love Turkey and have many Turkish friends who share my views.
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 01:15 pm |
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Quoting Daydreamer: Quoting Avalon: Quoting catwoman: Quoting Avalon: Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs |
Also... don't forget. It is time for you to stop giving advice, Mrs multiple personality problem |
Sorry,it looks that you are in charge of this monopol Yeah,you Poles,you know everything!!!
what about magnadea?the same problem???Multiple personality |
Why plural here and what does Cat's being Polish have to do with the issue? It took me a while as I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box but now I know what's with ya.
Everybody - DNFTT |
just followed the general tendency here,Overgeneralization...
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 01:33 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting Lapinkulta: it is so strange that number of anti-Turk members are getting here...and strange coz some members are coming back with different nicknames... |
Having different ideas on politics to you, your brother and KeithL does not make me "anti-Turk" - you are as bad as your brother!
I love Turkey and have many Turkish friends who share my views. |
hehe I can see who are ur turkish friends (should I say turkish? coz it will be racism to call them like this ) btw, who are u? are u new on this site? how do u know us? it seems u are one of the deleted users who come back. coz ur post are being insulting. and u are as bad as other members who support terrorism
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 01:34 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting Lapinkulta: it is so strange that number of anti-Turk members are getting here...and strange coz some members are coming back with different nicknames... |
Having different ideas on politics to you, your brother and KeithL does not make me "anti-Turk" - you are as bad as your brother!
I love Turkey and have many Turkish friends who share my views. |
u are so funny, sekerim
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 01:41 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting magnadea: Quoting Lapinkulta: it is so strange that number of anti-Turk members are getting here...and strange coz some members are coming back with different nicknames... |
Having different ideas on politics to you, your brother and KeithL does not make me "anti-Turk" - you are as bad as your brother!
I love Turkey and have many Turkish friends who share my views. |
u are so funny, sekerim |
Funny - I thought she was being quite serious. :-S
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 01:58 pm |
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Quoting janissary: hehe I can see who are ur turkish friends (should I say turkish? coz it will be racism to call them like this ) btw, who are u? are u new on this site? how do u know us? it seems u are one of the deleted users who come back. coz ur post are being insulting. and u are as bad as other members who support terrorism |
I have friends who are both (by YOUR definition) "pure white blood" Turkish and also Kurdish.
Please could you copy and post the parts of my posts which you find insulting and also name and provide proof of members of this site who support terrorism? I am unaware of anyone who does.
Janissary you preach politics and wonder why some people disagree? Are you so naive? Instead of arguing in an educated way, you dismiss anyone who is not a radical Kemalist as a PKK supporter, terrorist and "Turkey hater". The latter (Turkey haters) may be a self-fulfilled prophecy, as your posts alienate people from everything they love about your country.
Anyway, smile and have a wonderful day 
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 02:34 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: Quoting catwoman: Quoting Avalon: Janissary is a Turk so is it something strange that he refers in his post to national history and heritage.Nationalistic????Perhaps patriotic???Ahhh,everybody who is proud of his own country must be a nationalist and ksenophob I forgot how easy is to judge..and for those who have problems with digestion...herbs...herbs...herbs |
Also... don't forget. It is time for you to stop giving advice, Mrs multiple personality problem |
Sorry,it looks that you are in charge of this monopol Yeah,you Poles,you know everything!!!
what about magnadea?the same problem???Multiple personality |
Oh dear, why don't you explain more what you meant by that ksenophob word and that "easy to judge" thing that you forget yet preach all the time? :-S
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 02:42 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: just followed the general tendency here,Overgeneralization... |
on this special occasion, why don't you tell us more about what we are doing so wrong and judgmental, dear queen? 
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 03:07 pm |
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u are all wrong from the beginning. I posted a topic about Children's day in turkey yesterday. but look at the begining and see who started politics discussion? u are always doing same thing. I really dont understand why u all against Turkey, and why are u here?
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 03:08 pm |
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Wonderful!
İstanbul Symphony marks Children's Day with concert:
The İstanbul State Symphony Orchestra will feature young piano virtuoso Mertol Demirelli in two concerts this weekend, marking April 23, National Sovereignty and Children's Day.
The 12-year-old Demirelli and the orchestra, under the baton of Kevin Griffiths, will play a program that consists of pieces by George Bizet, Johann Strauss and Halil Bedii Yönetken in both concerts, slated for April 25 and 26 at the Atatürk Culture Center (AKM).
Zaman.
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 03:09 pm |
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Quoting janissary: u are all wrong from the beginning. I posted a topic about Children's day in turkey yesterday. but look at the begining and see who started politics discussion? u are always doing same thing. I really dont understand why u all against Turkey, and why are u here? |
+1000000
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 03:13 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: Wonderful!
İstanbul Symphony marks Children's Day with concert:
The İstanbul State Symphony Orchestra will feature young piano virtuoso Mertol Demirelli in two concerts this weekend, marking April 23, National Sovereignty and Children's Day.
The 12-year-old Demirelli and the orchestra, under the baton of Kevin Griffiths, will play a program that consists of pieces by George Bizet, Johann Strauss and Halil Bedii Yönetken in both concerts, slated for April 25 and 26 at the Atatürk Culture Center (AKM).
Zaman.
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if I posted this I would be a racist coz u say "marking April 23, National Sovereignty and Children's Day" why dont u just say "happy 23th april" what do you mean to other ppl roswitha???
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 03:16 pm |
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Turkish Child prodigy celebrated on Children's Day (Zaman)
Mertol Demirelli - Chopin Vals in B Minor, Op69 No.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XpJ_SceCuU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikQ1TXv3Y6U
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 05:47 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting Avalon: just followed the general tendency here,Overgeneralization... |
on this special occasion, why don't you tell us more about what we are doing so wrong and judgmental, dear queen? |
As I know AEnigma used to be the queen of this site,I do not have such expectations.BTW greetings for her wherever she is,she must be laughing now observing what is going on.To tell the truth nothing has changed.
Wrong and judgmental?Nothing, except that magnadea ,although not new one here, did not get warm welcoming with
such emoticon and you easily followed her assumption about Avalon"s identity.Isn´t that judgmental,paranoic or weird?Just asking the question not preaching.
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:31 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: Quoting catwoman: Quoting Avalon: just followed the general tendency here,Overgeneralization... |
on this special occasion, why don't you tell us more about what we are doing so wrong and judgmental, dear queen? |
As I know AEnigma used to be the queen of this site,I do not have such expectations.BTW greetings for her wherever she is,she must be laughing now observing what is going on.To tell the truth nothing has changed.
Wrong and judgmental?Nothing, except that magnadea ,although not new one here, did not get warm welcoming with
such emoticon and you easily followed her assumption about Avalon"s identity.Isn´t that judgmental,paranoic or weird?Just asking the question not preaching.
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you are Aenigma?
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:35 pm |
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just Avalon
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:38 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: just Avalon |
 Welcome to the jungle should be the banner
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:45 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: Quoting Avalon: just Avalon |
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dont worry moderators warns me always. I dont say anything personal attack. they follow me
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:47 pm |
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I do not worry,i just take things easy
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 07:49 pm |
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Quoting Avalon: I do not worry,i just take things easy |
nevermind, Im "narrow minded" I cant think wide...I learn history, politics, religion on this site at the end of this month we will have an exam hehe
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 11:30 pm |
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Quoting janissary: nevermind, Im "narrow minded" |
FINALLY! A post of yours I can completely agree with 
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 11:37 pm |
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Quoting magnadea: Quoting janissary: nevermind, Im "narrow minded" |
FINALLY! A post of yours I can completely agree with |
Big victory for you not only for you I already knew that this site is belong to one sided ppl...
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24 Apr 2008 Thu 11:39 pm |
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Quoting janissary: Big victory for you not only for you I already knew that this site is belong to one sided ppl... |
Lighten up canim - it was a joke
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