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Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:30 pm |
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Ayhan, bravo!!
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:32 pm |
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Quoting Roswitha: Ayhan, bravo!! |
 
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:45 pm |
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Quoting Cacık: A good post Marion, but I do think also that there are some girls out there working their fingers to the bone because the village men won´t ! Maybe not huge amounts but it does happen.
When you drive through many villages, you see it, young and old women in the fields, in groups by the side of the road waiting to be collected to be taken to the fields, and in many cases the menfolk stand around watching and smoking their cigarettes, while they are bent over double working. It amazes me how many people smoke who have no money to feed their children.
What is needed is education in these places, education among the male societies but it is a huge job to try to change something which has been present in their culture for centuries.
Although fundementally I agree with you, that the post itself indicates that Turkish women are lazy and this is not true, I also feel that they work too hard because many men won´t.
And my comments really can´t pertain to the Istanbul way of life, because it is totally different here.[/QUOTE
you say its hard to change centuries of culture but i feel that this is wierd to especially to turkish people i would persume this type of thing happened in your past like kamal ataturk he actually literally changed CENTURIES of traditions he taught u guys a new alphabet
about the girls working in fields we have a lot of the same problem here in egypt in the rural areas especially that cotton is one of egypts biggest exports anyway i hope that this problem in turkey and egypt and all the other countries that face the same problem is solved |
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 06:51 pm |
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wow it is actually a shock to me that u say that turkish women are not equal with turkish men since i have visited a lot of sites which a ll stated that after ataturk the biggest majority of turkish women are equal as i said before its the same thing in egypt but only in rural areas but here in cairo men and women are the same and there are actually a lot of businesses that women are leading in but not perfectly like it would be a very very rare thing to see a female bus driver or taxi driver or security gaurd but as i also said before i hope this world phenemenon goes away
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 08:34 pm |
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We can jump to erroneous [even dangerous] conclusions by making inappropriate comparisons. Satistic is a two edged sword. Statiticians can porove almost anything by quoting selective data. For example, most people die in their beds >> does this prove that going to bed is dangerous? Someone aptly commented lies, damn lies, and statistics !!
Having been born, and living all my life in England, I cannot say that women here are truly ´Free and Happy´. One cannot make aesthetic generalisations by focussing on selective statistics.
However, security from oppression, education, freedom of conscience, education, health care, and social welfare are, undeniably, basic human rights.
My experience in Turkey has been that women are fairly assertive and seem to be happy with their condition. But this again is a dangerous generalisation and does not mean that things ought not to improve. Liberal fanaticisim and dogmatic conservatisim are equally culpable.
Discrimination based on ethnicity, gender and belief system are all unacceptable phenomena. Consultative politics and consensual government [not necessarily Democracy as we see in the USA, accessible only to those with monetary power and privilege] is the best way forward.
I see that so called ´Secularists´ in Turkey are just as guilty of misapproriating levers of power as any other dogma ridden section of the society who seem to know what is best for the rest. Turkey is potentially a wonderful and rich land.
Tazx1
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 08:51 pm |
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Excellent post reply, Tazx1!
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 09:38 pm |
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Quoting longinotti1:
There is a expression in America.
There are Liers,
Damn liers
and below them STATISTIANS.
Examine this statement. this is based in union membership!
In America, you can measure employment by whose based on tax returns. Ok. I need few minutes to stop laughing. |
I am not sure I am following this..
Are you saying that the statistics given by TISK is wrong?
If so, how do you know they are wrong?
And where does it say that ´this is based in union membership´?
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 11:22 pm |
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Tazx, statistics are actually a great tool and they do describe the reality very well, when it is done properly. When you say 50% of people die in bed, that is just it. It doesn´t say for what reason or people of what age... etc. You ask these questions yourself and do more specific surveys.
What is the dangerous conclusion from saying that women are obviously in lower social position then men if women have such low rates of education and participation in the workforce? This really explains women´s lower social status. It doesn´t mean at all that women work less, it actually means that they work more, do worse jobs and are not paid for them, or paid very little - because that means that unskilled work, home chores, farm work is left for these women.
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26 Jul 2008 Sat 11:48 pm |
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accepting defects is a virtue,but by being objective&neutral.So i think noone of country or culture all pure or excellent,so trying to find more common trues better then cristisms one side
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 03:04 am |
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Quoting MrX67: accepting defects is a virtue,but by being objective&neutral.So i think noone of country or culture all pure or excellent |
Well said Mrx!
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27 Jul 2008 Sun 05:02 am |
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FEMALE ISLAMBUL
http://www.agaluczakowska.com/right/islambul.html
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