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Two thirds of young women in Turkey sit at home
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20.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 27 Jul 2008 Sun 05:02 am

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21.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 28 Jul 2008 Mon 05:15 pm

Quoting alameda:

Quoting Roswitha:

More than half of the women in Turkey aged between 25 and 29 do not work, a recent survey by the Turkish Confederation of Employers´ Unions (TİSK) has revealed, and as many as 60 percent of women aged between 15 and 29 do not attend school.
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=95819



Actually, I think that´s a somewhat biased and skewed conclusion. Could it not also be that those are the ages when many young women are in the early stages of family and homemaking. Staying at home, does not constitute not working.

Sounds like some employers may want more hands to exploit for the factories"..."hmmm? ...bigger labour force, you know?



alameda, does it really matter why these woman are at home? It is one thing to be at home because you choose it, but what is the reason for no education?

22.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Jul 2008 Mon 07:01 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:


alameda, does it really matter why these woman are at home? It is one thing to be at home because you choose it, but what is the reason for no education?



That is a loaded question Elisabeth. Of course everyone, male or female should get absolutely the highest education possible. However, I think much of the current educational systems are more of vocational training than real education in the classic sense of the word. I can´t tell you how many I´ve met with medical, or legal degrees who were quite ignorant when it comes to issues like philosophy and world history.

As to why the women are at home, in my opinion, of course it matters. Is the woman there being treated well? Is she being allowed to fill her potential? Is she being mistreated?

I just think using "work" in the commercial sense is the wrong criteria to use as a yardstick.

23.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Jul 2008 Mon 07:20 pm

Quoting alameda:

Quoting Elisabeth:


alameda, does it really matter why these woman are at home? It is one thing to be at home because you choose it, but what is the reason for no education?



That is a loaded question Elisabeth. Of course everyone, male or female should get absolutely the highest education possible. However, I think much of the current educational systems are more of vocational training than real education in the classic sense of the word. I can´t tell you how many I´ve met with medical, or legal degrees who were quite ignorant when it comes to issues like philosophy and world history.

As to why the women are at home, in my opinion, of course it matters. Is the woman there being treated well? Is she being allowed to fill her potential? Is she being mistreated?

I just think using "work" in the commercial sense is the wrong criteria to use as a yardstick.


Alameda,
You are simply ignoring the fact that they are women and they are not being utilized as a work force for the country.
Can you show me any developed country which do NOT utilize women as work force?
If we are saying women and men are equal (or we say that in theory it should be), then why is it that women should not work?

About the stats: why is it the case?
Because it is simply these patriarch/primitive ideas :
-women should stay at home and look after the children
-it is better for the men that if the wife sits at home so that they can feel comfortable (because if the women work she will interact with the other men so they will feel jealous)

And are those women happy happy with their situation?
A huge NO..Hell NO!!
Who on earth will accept willingly spending their lives as if they are in house arrest?

How many of those women do you think getting education at home? what education is that?
why are you mixing the education up there...Education prepares young people for life.
Any form of education is better than non education at all..
Stop trying to find excuses to some of the primitivenesses of my country.
We have have to change these thing and they will change!!

24.       doudi94
845 posts
 28 Jul 2008 Mon 07:26 pm

i think a majority of those 6o percent dont go to universities or get education coz of the head scarf policy and now that it has been taken off hopefully more women will go and will be employed and women will rule turkey hahahahahaahh just kidding but not about the first part and i htink those stereotypes about women and home and cooking are starting to go away but still exist there are a lot of homes where the woman works and the man stays home so that is proof

25.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 28 Jul 2008 Mon 08:19 pm

If you do not educate women, they will have no choice but to stay home and fulfill a traditional role. If you educated women, you run the risk of them not wanting to be in traditional roles. This statistic merely points out that Turkey does not offer as many choices for women . It doesn´t necessarily reflect a judgement but I think the statistics clearly show that Turkey still has a long way to go for womens rights.

26.       pansi
94 posts
 29 Jul 2008 Tue 10:05 am

İ didnt read other posts but those women who i know doesnt feel unhappy about sitting at home.İ am not talking about education here - but about peaceful home life(İ am sitting at home also - need to be honest - even i have university degree and i cannot say that i am not good educated,but for now it is more language problem).İt is more like lifestyle for housewives.When husband leaves in the mornings, they have their own things to do,house to clean, kids to play, shoping to do, friends to visit etc.Husband is taking care about financial side of family but women is housekeeper and full time mom.Also for young women it so much depends of family - how they see daughters future - with carrier or at husbands home.İf family is against study, then it is problem.But in the same time let young girl to work in places where is mostly man working also seems to be a bit dangerous.For me - i dont see this as a big problem.maybe it is better than average working mom who doesnt see their children, not have time for themselves or for friends, not even mentioned about time for husband.İ dont know noone who is complaining about sitting at home (just about persons who i know).But of course - to get at least highschool education is important.

27.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:12 pm

Quoting thehandsom:

Alameda,
You are simply ignoring the fact that they are women and they are not being utilized as a work force for the country. Can you show me any developed country which do NOT utilize women as work force? If we are saying women and men are equal (or we say that in theory it should be), then why is it that women should not work?



I think you are confused as to the definition of work. Of course most females also work, but the work they do is not commercial work, it´s life quality work. .

Quoting thehandsom:

About the stats: why is it the case?
Because it is simply these patriarch/primitive ideas :
-women should stay at home and look after the children



So, what is wrong with women staying at home and looking after children? In Western countries people make a profession out of looking after children. Chidcare then becomes a commercial venture. Let´s not forget, those same women who are taking care of children are also preparing food, keeping the home in order and probably doing a whole lot of other htings, but they are not commercial in nature. It´s more about the division of commercial and none commercial work.

Quoting thehandsom:

-it is better for the men that if the wife sits at home so that they can feel comfortable (because if the women work she will interact with the other men so they will feel jealous)

And are those women happy happy with their situation?
A huge NO..Hell NO!!



Quoting thehandsom:

Who on earth will accept willingly spending their lives as if they are in house arrest? How many of those women do you think getting education at home? what education is that?



Education should not stop at anytime on one´s life. It is a continuous process. New information is found, new discoveries come to light and what you thought you knew is no longer relevant. In the world today, with the Internet, many more venues for education exist. One can access an amazing store of human knowledge. I in no way am against anyone getting an education.

Quoting thehandsom:

Stop trying to find excuses to some of the primitivenesses of my country.
We have have to change these thing and they will change!!



Oh Handsom, you are so naive. I´m sure there will change, it´s the nature of things. I am concerned it seems you have swallowed the whole the, "you are primitive, do what we do" propaganda. Open your eyes to the actual beauties and good things in your country, and please stop just blindly parroting others who really are not as interested in the well being of Turkey as you so naively think.

Women are not men, they are different. Here we are begining to find other ways to to do things. Women don´t best fit into the male work modes. Look for new ways to utilize the talents of your women, rather than trying to fit them into the male work mold.

28.       catwoman
8933 posts
 29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:20 pm

Quoting alameda:

Oh Handsom, you are so naive. I´m sure there will change, it´s the nature of things. I am concerned it seems you have swallowed the whole the, "you are primitive, do what we do" propaganda. Open your eyes to the actual beauties and good things in your country, and please stop just blindly parroting others who really are not as interested in the well being of Turkey as you so naively think.

Women are not men, they are different. Here we are begining to find other ways to to do things. Women don´t best fit into the male work modes. Look for new ways to utilize the talents of your women, rather than trying to fit them into the male work mold.


Alameda, your post is so condescending to millions of women who WANT to fit in the work place yet are discriminated against. It is disrespectful to women who paved the way for us to be able to choose whether we want to have careers and be independent and to not be at a mercy of men. You are also disrespectful to the women who are still fighting for equal treatment and independence! It is appalling what you said!

SPEAK ONLY FOR YOURSELF, OK? YOUR VIEWS ARE PRIMITIVE AND SEXIST. IF YOU WANT TO STAY AT HOME, NOONE IS FORBIDDING YOU, BUT SOME WOMEN HAVE OTHER AMBITIONS, OK? RESPECT THAT!

29.       AEnigmamagnadea
416 posts
 29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:28 pm

Quoting alameda:

Quoting thehandsom:

Alameda,
You are simply ignoring the fact that they are women and they are not being utilized as a work force for the country. Can you show me any developed country which do NOT utilize women as work force? If we are saying women and men are equal (or we say that in theory it should be), then why is it that women should not work?



I think you are confused as to the definition of work. Of course most females also work, but the work they do is not commercial work, it´s life quality work. .

Quoting thehandsom:

About the stats: why is it the case?
Because it is simply these patriarch/primitive ideas :
-women should stay at home and look after the children



So, what is wrong with women staying at home and looking after children? In Western countries people make a profession out of looking after children. Chidcare then becomes a commercial venture. Let´s not forget, those same women who are taking care of children are also preparing food, keeping the home in order and probably doing a whole lot of other htings, but they are not commercial in nature. It´s more about the division of commercial and none commercial work.

Quoting thehandsom:

-it is better for the men that if the wife sits at home so that they can feel comfortable (because if the women work she will interact with the other men so they will feel jealous)

And are those women happy happy with their situation?
A huge NO..Hell NO!!



Quoting thehandsom:

Who on earth will accept willingly spending their lives as if they are in house arrest? How many of those women do you think getting education at home? what education is that?



Education should not stop at anytime on one´s life. It is a continuous process. New information is found, new discoveries come to light and what you thought you knew is no longer relevant. In the world today, with the Internet, many more venues for education exist. One can access an amazing store of human knowledge. I in no way am against anyone getting an education.

Quoting thehandsom:

Stop trying to find excuses to some of the primitivenesses of my country.
We have have to change these thing and they will change!!



Oh Handsom, you are so naive. I´m sure there will change, it´s the nature of things. I am concerned it seems you have swallowed the whole the, "you are primitive, do what we do" propaganda. Open your eyes to the actual beauties and good things in your country, and please stop just blindly parroting others who really are not as interested in the well being of Turkey as you so naively think.

Women are not men, they are different. Here we are begining to find other ways to to do things. Women don´t best fit into the male work modes. Look for new ways to utilize the talents of your women, rather than trying to fit them into the male work mold.



It is crap like this which keeps me away more often than not lately. There is no point arguing with such an antiquitity as you! I don´t know how old you are, but I do hope your views die out with your generation.

30.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Jul 2008 Tue 07:36 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Alameda, your post is so condescending to millions of women who WANT to fit in the work place yet are discriminated against. It is disrespectful to women who paved the way for us to be able to choose whether we want to have careers and be independent and to not be at a mercy of men. You are also disrespectful to the women who are still fighting for equal treatment and independence! It is appalling what you said!

SPEAK ONLY FOR YOURSELF, OK? YOUR VIEWS ARE PRIMITIVE AND SEXIST. IF YOU WANT TO STAY AT HOME, NOONE IS FORBIDDING YOU, BUT SOME WOMEN HAVE OTHER AMBITIONS, OK? RESPECT THAT!



Are you loosing your cool there with shouting my dear? Speak for yourself. To me your ideas are rather crude as well....and sexist as well. I have simply voiced a view contrary to you. As I see it, you would march all women into commercial ventures were they can be exploited in a work force, their children put into "daycare centers" (another commercial venture I might add) Home is unimportant, we can get frozen dinners to heat up in our microwaves, to hell with the nutrition value or hygienic standards...and forget about loving hands at home...off to the exploited hands in the factories we go. Great, progress!

As for the women who paved the way, my greatgrandmother, grandmother, my mother, aunts and myself ARE those women. When you have a fraction of the experience we have, I´ll be more inclined listen to you.

In no way have I spoken against women entering the work force, reread please. What I have done, is bring about another viewpoint...add perspective, you know?

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