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Turkish intellectuals issue apology to Armenians
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210.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 04 Jan 2009 Sun 09:14 pm

In an interview with Sunday´s Zaman, ISRO/USAK Chairman Professor Sedat Laçiner, commented on recent developments, with particular reference to the apology campaign launched by a group of Turkish intellectuals and said no apology was needed on the matter

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.138&bolum=8

 

Some passages from this ´wise´ guy: 

 

How many Armenians did Turks rescue during the deportations?

A substantial part of the male deportees were militants. There were many incidents where their relatives and families did have difficult times. Men were primarily targeted during the attacks. Children and the elderly had to suffer the consequences. Local people took action to keep the orphans or the widows with them. This is an Islamic tradition. This is an Ottoman tradition. Westerners cannot understand this. In some cases, the guy just wanted a beautiful Armenian girl whose husband died. Some marriages were built based on this motive.

Isn´t this assimilation, even if it is done out of humanitarian concerns?

If you ask this to Western people, this is genocide, because you are trying to assimilate the Armenian population. However, Serbs raped about 30,000 women during the civil war in Bosnia and Herzegovina but did not marry any of these victims. And they did not accept the children as their own. But there is something different here. These people did not see the Armenians as dirty and inferior. They made these women their wives. They had kids. They took these kids as their own and embraced these women as their wives.

But they converted them to Islam…

In that case, you accept your husband´s religion as your religion. But this Islamization is something like this: There were many Armenian women who did not actually perform their religious duties, though they looked pretty religious. There were some others who did not have much information about Islam. They believed in God. The Armenian people were not atheists. These marriages took place at early ages. And they died as Muslims. There are many Armenian converts that fall into this category.

 

btw..above is the also a simplistic answer to the thread ("His mother was an Armenian" !!!):

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_37143

and to my questions in that thread :

Quote:

how can the president´s Armenian mother managed to get married to a Turk?

did her family consent that marriage?

did she have a family? if not, what happened to her family?

why are there  many Armenian mothers in this country and no Armenian fathers? what happened to them?

 

 

211.       si++
3785 posts
 04 Jan 2009 Sun 09:38 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

In an interview with Sunday´s Zaman, ISRO/USAK Chairman Professor Sedat Laçiner, commented on recent developments, with particular reference to the apology campaign launched by a group of Turkish intellectuals and said no apology was needed on the matter

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.138&bolum=8

 

Some passages from this ´wise´ guy: yeah

 

How many Armenians did Turks rescue during the deportations?

A substantial part of the male deportees were militants. There were many incidents where their relatives and families did have difficult times. Men were primarily targeted during the attacks. Children and the elderly had to suffer the consequences. Local people took action to keep the orphans or the widows with them. This is an Islamic tradition. This is an Ottoman tradition. Westerners cannot understand this. In some cases, the guy just wanted a beautiful Armenian girl whose husband died. Some marriages were built based on this motive. Right

Isn´t this assimilation, even if it is done out of humanitarian concerns?

If you ask this to Western people, this is genocide, because you are trying to assimilate the Armenian population. However, Serbs raped about 30,000 women during the civil war in Bosnia and Herzegovina but did not marry any of these victims. And they did not accept the children as their own. But there is something different here. These people did not see the Armenians as dirty and inferior. They made these women their wives. They had kids. They took these kids as their own and embraced these women as their wives.

But they converted them to Islam…

In that case, you accept your husband´s religion as your religion. But this Islamization is something like this: There were many Armenian women who did not actually perform their religious duties, though they looked pretty religious. There were some others who did not have much information about Islam. They believed in God. The Armenian people were not atheists. These marriages took place at early ages. And they died as Muslims. There are many Armenian converts that fall into this category. Right!

Scratch a Kürt and find an Armenian. Yes many Armenians became Kürts in 1915 era. And those who disappeared this way are said to be killed by Türks. Go figure.

 

btw..above is the also a simplistic answer to the thread ("His mother was an Armenian" !!!):

http://www.turkishclass.com/turkish/forum/forumTitle_37143

and to my questions in that thread :

 

 

 

212.       themarn
15 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 03:43 am

Man, If there is one thing I have learned, FOR GODS SAKE NEVER MENTION ARMENIANS TO A TURK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who put this stupid topic here? You can´t even come close to a conversation about it, what with all the screaming and freaking out. And all blood is precious, christian, muslim, buddist, blah.    

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Quoting tamikidakika

this a link to the pictures of Turkish victims of the genocide carried out by the armenian terrorists in 1915.

 

http://www.ermenisorunu.gen.tr/english/album/ana3.html

 

 

213.       themarn
15 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 03:50 am

Quote:

Add quoted text here

Ok, this is because there cannot be a calm, rational discussion about this. Ever. This whole post should be gone, because all that can happen is more screaming and name calling, which is why if I hear Turks discussing Armenians, I quietly slip away or forget all my Turkish. It´s a good thing none of them are armed.    

Quoting vineyards

Mods and admins:

Personal attacks and insults keep flying in the air. In the absence of proper moderation, you shouldn´t object to those defending themselves the way dictated by their so-called discussion counterparts...

 

I am also tired of the incompatible and arbitrary moderation going on here....

Are we supposed to do all the work ourselves?

 

 

214.       armegon
1872 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 05:04 am

Lately i have heard that Druzes also claimed Ottomans genocided 1 million of them and sent a letter to Obama, requested from him to put pressure on Turkey to accept this and apologize from them{#lang_emotions_rolleyes}.  So whats next? Zulus?Aborijins? Siouxs? . On the other hand historians declared that population of Druzes never reached 1 million throughout the history .

 

This situation reminded me a movie character who mentally pressured continously and at last he lost his mental condition, his friends asking him if he burned the Rome, or if he killed JFK, he was always answering them "Yes i did"... Anyway where are those "prominent" intellectuels? Druzes are on queue, but a bad news for them Druzes arent so rich lol

215.       Uzun_Hava
449 posts
 07 Feb 2009 Sat 08:18 am

I cannot resist answering this.   My father was Italian.   Therefore I descend from the Romans.  When Hannibal was defeated they destroyed Carthage.   "salted the fields". (after Carthage tried to destroy them 3 times)   I have never been asked to apoligize.  

 

40 years ago as an American Officer Trainee, I wa taught essentially that the "American Indian Wars" were genicide.

 

Also in high school. 

 

I haven´t been asked to apolgize for the "Trail of Tears".   But if i knew facts I might. (I am American this has notthing to do about Turkey)

 

Empires don´t have to apoligize until they cease to be one.  

 

I make my own decisions about my nations history. 

 

Turkish people have the same right.

 

 



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