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150.       adana
416 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 11:55 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

Can thehandsom please clarify something for me?

 

I can´t find the post yet but I´m sure I read today that you said you didn´t believe a Kurdistan should be formed (sorry if I am wrong).

 

Please can you tell me what your thought behind the title of this thread is? Is it a belief for the future? A sarcastic remark? A taunt to your adversaries here?  What is it?

 

 I would be grateful too.But I think you expect too much from thehandsom,he is perfect at posting articles but not speaking his mind.What a pity!

151.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 22 Feb 2009 Sun 11:59 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I may sound like to some

But

when I say

We tried to assimilate them (assimilation itself is a crime against humanity);(I have given you the document/s)

We burnt their villages;(I have shown you the proof)

We killed thousands of them unlawfully..(I have given you the news articles or numbers to prove it)

We took their thousands from their homes or streets and tortured them then killed them.. (same as above)

If you still do not want to understand and if you still do not come here with showing us that ´the things I said  DID NOT HAPPEN´ , what do you want me to say?

 

If necessary, I will repeat them again..

 

btw..avalon?

 

 dont say "we". coz u are not we. I dont accept u from us. you are kurdish but u try to seem as turkish who suffer for kurdish. if u are not kurdish Im a SHIP OR TRAIN.

 

TURKEY NEVER BURNT A VILLAGE, WHAT A NONSENSE IDEA U HAVE, HOW DO U KNOW THIS, HOW COME A STATE BURNS ITS OWN VILLAGES??

 

TERRORIST DID BAD THINGS IN THIS AREAS TO MAKE PUBLIC AGAINST STATE, ARMY, AND TURKEY. TERRORISTS KILLED TEACHERS, DOCTORS, NURSES TO MAKE PPL AGAIST TURKEY. COZ AFTER ALL THESE, THEY SAID: LOOK GOVERMENT DOESNT CARE FOR YOU COZ WE ARE KURDISH. AND THEY MANAGED IT. 

 

DONT BE EMOTIONAL, ALL PPL HAVE SAME RIGHTS IN TURKEY, WE HAVE KURDISH FRIENDS, NEIGHBOURS. WE DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM.  U TRY TO SHOW IT DIFFERENT,

152.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:08 am

 

Quoting adana

 

 

 I would be grateful too.But I think you expect too much from thehandsom,he is perfect at posting articles but not speaking his mind.What a pity!

 

 there are many articles, writing by same sources, he has articles about armanieans also. he is serving to them. we have same newspapers, journals in turkey and we all know who they serve and who supports them. poor handsom, you will never feel like a turkish citizen. keep on posting... but stay away!

turkey is not ur home!!!! turkey is belog to ppl who believe the unity and u will always look from there to this great country. u will accept what armenians said, but we (the sons of this land) will  always stand against this powers, as a nation, no matter turkish or kurdish!!! coz we have same roots, we have same belief and same culture. when we are celebrating our common days u will keep posting that we re wrong and nationalist, u will always stand out of the door)))

153.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:12 am

 

Quoting peacetrain

Can thehandsom please clarify something for me?

 

I can´t find the post yet but I´m sure I read today that you said you didn´t believe a Kurdistan should be formed (sorry if I am wrong).

 

Please can you tell me what your thought behind the title of this thread is? Is it a belief for the future? A sarcastic remark? A taunt to your adversaries here?  What is it?

 

Yes..

That is what I said about Kurdistan. I still do NOT think a full fledged country called Kurdistan in Northern Iraq is a good idea..

But however, if the situation arises or Iraq disintagrates and if a country called Kurdistan is formed in Norther Iraq, we have no alternative but accept it..

 

The title of the thread is taken directly from the news article..

But however, some words in Turkey are considered as taboo and the word Kurdistan is one of them.

The writer of the article explained it very clearly. In Turkey our rulers tried to assert that "Kurds don’t exist" and it was a huge historical  mistake and we have paid for that mistake and we are still paying for it..We almost wasted  70 years for trying to prove that argument..Since the beginning of our republic really.. 

There is an autonomous entity in Northern Iraq right now..

It is the reality!!!

And they call themselves ´Kurdistan´. Our rulers still trying to refer them as ´Northern Iraq´, not Kurdistan..Still try to ignore that reality of it..That is clearly another waste of time..

 

Why do we still trying to call them ´northern Iraqi´ or whatever?

 

This is a taboo  and this taboo needs to be broken and people should not be irritated when they hear the word as if somebody is hitting them with a stick. 

 

And sooner is better..

154.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:24 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Yes..

That is what I said about Kurdistan. I still do NOT think a full fledged country called Kurdistan in Northern Iraq is a good idea..

But however, if the situation arises or Iraq disintagrates and if a country called Kurdistan is formed in Norther Iraq, we have no alternative but accept it..

 

The title of the thread is taken directly from the news article..

But however, some words in Turkey are considered as taboo and the word Kurdistan is one of them.

The writer of the article explained it very clearly. In Turkey our rulers tried to assert that "Kurds don’t exist" and it was a huge historical  mistake and we have paid for that mistake and we are still paying for it..We almost wasted  70 years for trying to prove that argument..Since the beginning of our republic really.. 

There is an autonomous entity in Northern Iraq right now..

It is the reality!!!

And they call themselves ´Kurdistan´. Our rulers still trying to refer them as ´Northern Iraq´, not Kurdistan..Still try to ignore that reality of it..That is clearly another waste of time..

 

Why do we still trying to call them ´northern Iraqi´ or whatever?

 

This is a taboo  and this taboo needs to be broken and people should not be irritated when they hear the word as if somebody is hitting them with a stick. 

 

And sooner is better..

 Thanks for the reply

 

155.       CANLI
5084 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:28 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

 

There is an autonomous entity in Northern Iraq right now..

It is the reality!!!

And they call themselves ´Kurdistan´. Our rulers still trying to refer them as ´Northern Iraq´, not Kurdistan..Still try to ignore that reality of it..That is clearly another waste of time..

 

Why do we still trying to call them ´northern Iraqi´ or whatever?

 

This is a taboo  and this taboo needs to be broken and people should not be irritated when they hear the word as if somebody is hitting them with a stick. 

 

And sooner is better..

 

 Ãs there a country now called Kurdistan in North Ýraq ?!

You are in favor of taking Ýraqi´s lands to form another country then ?!!!



Edited (2/23/2009) by CANLI [spelling]

156.       adana
416 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:30 am

 

aQuoting thehandsom

 

 

and people should not be irritated when they hear the word as if somebody is hitting them with a stick

 

 you posted

The establishment of an Independent Unified Kurdistan, which will include southeastern Turkey. 

And you are surprised that people who care about unity of the country are irritated???Come off it,if somebody wanted a piece of my land I would also fly into rage easily.You stir such emotions so do not blame anyone for being nationalistic.

 

157.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:32 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 Ãs there a country now called Kurdistan in North Ýraq ?!

You are in favore of taking Ýraqi´s lands to form another country then ?!!!

 

 there is a garden of USA there

a weapon against turkey and iran

they think they are independent)

158.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:32 am

 

Quoting TheJanissary

 

 

 dont say "we". coz u are not we. I dont accept u from us. you are kurdish but u try to seem as turkish who suffer for kurdish. if u are not kurdish Im a SHIP OR TRAIN.

 

TURKEY NEVER BURNT A VILLAGE, WHAT A NONSENSE IDEA U HAVE, HOW DO U KNOW THIS, HOW COME A STATE BURNS ITS OWN VILLAGES??

 

TERRORIST DID BAD THINGS IN THIS AREAS TO MAKE PUBLIC AGAINST STATE, ARMY, AND TURKEY. TERRORISTS KILLED TEACHERS, DOCTORS, NURSES TO MAKE PPL AGAIST TURKEY. COZ AFTER ALL THESE, THEY SAID: LOOK GOVERMENT DOESNT CARE FOR YOU COZ WE ARE KURDISH. AND THEY MANAGED IT. 

 

DONT BE EMOTIONAL, ALL PPL HAVE SAME RIGHTS IN TURKEY, WE HAVE KURDISH FRIENDS, NEIGHBOURS. WE DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM.  U TRY TO SHOW IT DIFFERENT,

Ha ha 

I think you are the one being emotional (and comical) here..

AND you are a SHIP OR a TRAIN.. Pick one..lol

 

159.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:35 am

 

Quoting adana

 

 

 you posted

The establishment of an Independent Unified Kurdistan, which will include southeastern Turkey. 

And you are surprised that people who care about unity of the country are irritated???Come off it,if somebody wanted a piece of my land I would also fly into rage easily.You stir such emotions so do not blame anyone for being nationalistic.

 

 

You should have read the full article and those words in its context.

160.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 23 Feb 2009 Mon 12:38 am

I think you should talk for yourself rather than referring to the rest of us with the "we did this & that" attitude. Using the third person plural does not make your points any more credible, or make you sound like a genuinely humanitarian Turk.

 

I, for example, did not do any of those things that you claim collectively as we did. I didn´t kill & torture anyone; didn´t burn any villages; didn´t commit any crimes against humanity; or assimiliate anyone. In fact, no one has actually asked me for my opinion, permission, authorization or participation in these matters. This also happens to be the case for probably 99% of that ´we´ you seem to be fond of. I am sure you are capable of comprehending the basic notion of difference between the actions of a government & the lack of involvement of the general public in the excution of certain governmental decisions. Did the average Joe on the street in Pig´s Knuckle, Arkansas authorize the invasion of Iraq? Did they hold a general referandum in Turkey to ask everyone what they think should be done?

 

It is not the articles or the arguments you provide that people disagree with. It is your attitude of generalization, and forcing everyone acknowledge your black-and-white perspective on the matter.

 

"- We, the Turks, did this & that; assimilated; killed; tortured; maimed; committed crimes; and suppressed. - I have provided the numbers and the evidence, so this is how it is... You cannot deny. You cannot disagree..." With this sort of logic, I don´t think you will get many people to agree with you.

 

Are you also suggesting that Kurds were killed only by Turks? If you have any knowledge about this topic, and I really do that you have for you seem to post about it a whole lot, then you would know very well that, during the incidences you are referring to, a lot of Kurds were also killed by other Kurds. Why do you omit this fact from your arguments. You have heard of the clash of the Kurdish aþiret lords with the PKK, have you not? Aside from being against the policies of the Republic of Turkey - not ´us Turks´ - the PKK was also a revolt against the age-old Kurdish aþiret system, which was resented by many young Kurds. That is precisely why every single Kurdish aþiret armed their men and sent them off to fight PKK in order to protect their interests. Armed Kurdish aþiret fighters fought side by side with the Turkish army soldiers against armed Kurdish PKK guerillas. How do you explain that?

 

Along the same lines, any time anyone mentions the involvement of foreign powers in escalating violence by providing arms and funds, you accuse them of being brainwashed and sounding like Turkish generals. Are you truly expecting anyone to disregard the fact that both Germany & the UK were involved in the affairs of Turkey by supporting PKK behind closed doors?

 

Nobody is saying the incidences from the articles that you love clip & post so much did not happen. They just didn´t happen the way you present them to have happened, nor did they happen for the reasons you say they happened.

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I may sound like to some

But

when I say

We tried to assimilate them (assimilation itself is a crime against humanity);(I have given you the document/s)

We burnt their villages;(I have shown you the proof)

We killed thousands of them unlawfully..(I have given you the news articles or numbers to prove it)

We took their thousands from their homes or streets and tortured them then killed them.. (same as above)

If you still do not want to understand and if you still do not come here with showing us that ´the things I said  DID NOT HAPPEN´ , what do you want me to say?

 

If necessary, I will repeat them again..

 

btw..avalon?

 

 



Edited (2/23/2009) by cynicmystic

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