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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 03:58 pm

 

I am really angry about this..

 

Very recently the vice president of Sudan visited Turkey. 

The regime of Sudan is being accused of committing genocide in Darfur..And our Hero of Davos  said that there was no genocide taken place in Darfur in 2006 when visiting Sudan..And happily accepted this visit..

In Darfur, there have been at least 300.000 death in recent years and many many childeren among them (and many of them were raped before killing).

The stories of how these muslim soldiers would rape the childeren can be read anywhere..

 

I think my muslim brothers and sisters, you have to accept the fact that ´who does the killing´ was always very important for you..

 

In Gazza incident, you objected and also in Erdogan´s Davos incidents you  apploaded him, ´rightly´..

There were all anti semitic protests (even childeren were used in those protests) against Israel and  for Gazza people..

Most of you were just protesting becasue the killing was done by the jews.

 

While condemning the jews killers because they were killing the muslims, our prime minister is praising the muslims who kills muslims.. Even the head of Parliment said that ´but they are elected in Sudan´ ..Phew..

 

I am begining to think that most of the people who protested were never really sorry for those childeren killed in Gazza.

 

They were just showing us one of the faces they have...


This is the news:

 



Edited (3/9/2009) by thehandsom [adding colurs :)]

2.       Melek74
1506 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 04:27 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I am really angry about this..

 

....

 

I can´t stay I don´t feel certain gratification (I don´t want to say I told you so). Maybe it will be a good lesson for those who want to trust politicians.

3.       femmeous
2642 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 05:57 pm

 thats what i´ve been shouting about for years. but poor blacks are not that important than gazzans. they are not aloud. they dont have a pallywood production studio supported by UN and EU. they are killed in silence far away from the world cameras. they are just blacks.

 

Quoting thehandsom

I am really angry about this..

 

Very recently the vice president of Sudan visited Turkey. 

The regime of Sudan is being accused of committing genocide in Darfur..And our Hero of Davos  said that there was no genocide taken place in Darfur in 2006 when visiting Sudan..And happily accepted this visit..

In Darfur, there have been at least 300.000 death in recent years and many many childeren among them (and many of them were raped before killing).

The stories of how these muslim soldiers would rape the childeren can be read anywhere..

 

I think my muslim brothers and sisters, you have to accept the fact that ´who does the killing´ was always very important for you..

 

In Gazza incident, you objected and also in Erdogan´s Davos incidents you  apploaded him, ´rightly´..

There were all anti semitic protests (even childeren were used in those protests) against Israel and  for Gazza people..

Most of you were just protesting becasue the killing was done by the jews.

 

While condemning the jews killers because they were killing the muslims, our prime minister is praising the muslims who kills muslims.. Even the head of Parliment said that ´but they are elected in Sudan´ ..Phew..

 

I am begining to think that most of the people who protested were never really sorry for those childeren killed in Gazza.

 

They were just showing us one of the faces they have...


This is the news:

 

 

4.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 08:47 pm

 

Quoting Melek74

 

 

I can´t stay I don´t feel certain gratification (I don´t want to say I told you so). Maybe it will be a good lesson for those who want to trust politicians.

 

I remember you cautious and balanced angle from Erdogan-Davos threads..So you can clearly say ´I told you so´

But my angle of accusation is a bit wider than ´politicians only´ to be honest.. 

 

5.       Melek74
1506 posts
 07 Mar 2009 Sat 10:14 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I remember you cautious and balanced angle from Erdogan-Davos threads..So you can clearly say ´I told you so´

But my angle of accusation is a bit wider than ´politicians only´ to be honest.. 

 

 

Of course it is a wider issue. I don´t know if I would agree that it is limited to Muslims only though. I´m sure you´d find a similar attitude among many so-called Christians as well. I think it has to do with group think and us vs. them attitude.



Edited (3/7/2009) by Melek74 [Spelling]

6.       CANLI
5084 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 06:17 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

I am really angry about this..

 

Very recently the vice president of Sudan visited Turkey. 

The regime of Sudan is being accused of committing genocide in Darfur..And our Hero of Davos  said that there was no genocide taken place in Darfur in 2006 when visiting Sudan..And happily accepted this visit..

In Darfur, there have been at least 300.000 death in recent years and many many childeren among them (and many of them were raped before killing).

The stories of how these muslim soldiers would rape the childeren can be read anywhere..

 

I think my muslim brothers and sisters, you have to accept the fact that ´who does the killing´ was always very important for you..

 

In Gazza incident, you objected and also in Erdogan´s Davos incidents you  apploaded him, ´rightly´..

There were all anti semitic protests (even childeren were used in those protests) against Israel and  for Gazza people..

Most of you were just protesting becasue the killing was done by the jews.

 

While condemning the jews killers because they were killing the muslims, our prime minister is praising the muslims who kills muslims.. Even the head of Parliment said that ´but they are elected in Sudan´ ..Phew..

 

I am begining to think that most of the people who protested were never really sorry for those childeren killed in Gazza.

 

They were just showing us one of the faces they have...


This is the news:

 

 

 Ã fail to see why are you making it a religious issue, or what are you comparing exactly.

People in Darfur are muslims, majority, and i dont agree that the issue in Palestine is jew to Muslim thing, its rather Ýsraeli to Palestinian thing

Darfur is a Sudanese land, where Palestine isnt Ýsraeli´s land.

The conflict in Darfur goes back long time ago and it was between the tripes there till oil and uranium been discovered.

Suddenly people got armed and demand authority !

 

Ýmagine that Kurds in Türkiye demand the land they are living on to be ruled by them and not Turkish government, and used weapones to make it real

Will the Turkish army sit and watch them ?

Will YOU accept it ?!

Why anyone expect Sudan not doing same ?!

And fight for their own land against the  dividing ?

 

People in Palestine been murdered, taken prisoners, been used as animals´ labs there, women got raped, and so on, but we havent seen any trail for the Ýsraeli PM or president or anyone for that matter !

 

Of course they are war crimes in Darfur, when innocent people got killed and  they werent part of any fight, when they forced to leave their homes and lands, when they are killed or tortured, all of that are war crimes.

And its a shame too.

 

But who´s to blame ?!

El Bashir, Sudan , Sudanese army, powers who gave weapons to Darfur rebellious to fight their government and cant keep their hands off other people´s lands specially when loaded with oil, and even more Uranium ?!

 

El Bashir  defending his country and nothing to be blamed about that, unless you are in favore of dividing your own country to everyone who want piece of the land and make himself governor!

 

To me, all are equal, Muslims or non Muslims, if they want part of my land, if anyone want to divide my land they should think again !

And i guess im not the only one thinking like that , am i ?!

 

But war crimes are STÝLL war crimes, even war should have ethics!

 

Ýnnocent people died and suffered, and someone must pay for that

Ýn Darfur case those who made those crimes should go to court and be punished for their crimes, but if we are accepting this as a concept, then we shouldnt only be talking about Sudan or just Sudanese generals !

What for ?!

What happened in Palestine was even way back before Darfur, but still no one condemn anyone of anything !

And they were / are also war crimes !

Why not Sharoon for example, and as you may know he is one of many !

 

You are comparing them together, then you must also have a good answer for that !

Do you ?

 

 

 

 

 



Edited (3/9/2009) by CANLI

7.       CANLI
5084 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 06:20 am

 

Quoting femmeous

 thats what i´ve been shouting about for years. but poor blacks are not that important than gazzans. they are not aloud. they dont have a pallywood production studio supported by UN and EU. they are killed in silence far away from the world cameras. they are just blacks.

 

 

 

 

Hmmm, Are you defending Muslims femmeous ?!

Never thought i would see that !

 

8.       femmeous
2642 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 11:39 am

i pass 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

Hmmm, Are you defending Muslims femmeous ?!

Never thought i would see that !

 

 

 

9.       femmeous
2642 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 12:44 pm


There are many estimates of casualties. Some non-governmental organizations use 200,000 to more than 500,000; the latter is a figure from the Coalition for International Justice.[11] As many as 2.5 million are thought to have been displaced as of October 2006.[12] (see Mortality Figures section, below).

The Sudanese government has been accused of suppressing information by killing witnesses since 2004, and tampering with evidence (such as mass graves) to eliminate their probative value.[13][14][15] In addition, by obstructing and arresting journalists, the Sudanese government has been able to obscure much of what has gone on.[16][17][18][19] While the United States government has described the conflict as genocide,[20] the UN has continuously stopped short of using such language.[7] (see List of declarations of genocide in Darfur). In March 2007 the UN mission accused Sudan´s government of orchestrating and taking part in "gross violations" in Darfur and called for urgent international action to protect civilians there. After fighting stopped in July and August, on 31 August 2006, the United Nations Security Council approved Resolution 1706 which called for a new 26,000-troop UN peacekeeping force called UNAMID to supplant or supplement a poorly funded and ill-equipped 7,000-troop African Union Mission in Sudan peacekeeping force. Sudan strongly objected to the resolution and said that it would see the UN forces in the region as foreign invaders. The next day, the Sudanese military launched a major offensive in the region.

On 14 July 2008, prosecutors at the International Criminal Court (ICC), filed ten charges of war crimes against Sudan´s President Omar al-Bashir, three counts of genocide, five of crimes against humanity and two of murder. The ICC´s prosecutors have claimed that al-Bashir "masterminded and implemented a plan to destroy in substantial part" three tribal groups in Darfur because of their ethnicity. The ICC´s prosecutor for Darfur, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, asked a panel of ICC judges to issue an arrest warrant for al-Bashir.[21] The ICC prosecutor´s indictment has drawn widespread international criticism.[22]. The warrant has now been given and has caused many concerns that this could further divide the opposing groups.

 

A rebellion started in 2003 against the Arab-dominated Sudanese government, with two local rebel groups — the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM) and the Sudan Liberation Movement/Army (SLA) — accusing the government of oppressing non-Arabs in favor of Arabs. The government was also accused of neglecting the Darfur for a Commission of Inquiry on Darfur to assess the Sudanese conflict. On 31 January 2005, the UN released a 176-Page report saying that while there were mass murders and rapes, they could not label it as genocide because "genocidal intent appears to be missing".[24][25] Many activists, however, refer to the crisis in Darfur as a genocide, including the Save Darfur Coalition and the Genocide Intervention Network. These organizations point to statements by former United States Secretary of State Colin Powell, referring to the conflict as a genocide. Other activists organizations, such as Amnesty International, while calling for international intervention, avoid the use of the term genocide.

 

 

10.       femmeous
2642 posts
 09 Mar 2009 Mon 12:46 pm

An 19 October 2004 UN News Centre article[83] titled "UNICEF adviser says rape in Darfur, Sudan continues with impunity" reported:

Armed militias in Sudan’s strife-torn Darfur region are continuing to rape women and girls with impunity, an expert from the United Nations children’s agency said today on her return from a mission to the region. Pamela Shifman, the UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) adviser on violence and sexual exploitation, said she heard dozens of harrowing accounts of sexual assaults – including numerous reports of gang rapes – when she visited internally displaced persons (IDPs) at one camp and another settlement in North Darfur last week. “Rape is used as a weapon to terrorize individual women and girls, and also to terrorize their families and to terrorize entire communities,” she said in an interview with the UN News Service. "No woman or girl is safe."

In that article Pamela Shifman also reported:

Ms. Shifman said every woman or girl she spoke to had either endured sexual assault herself, or knew of someone who had been attacked, particularly when they left the relative safety of their IDP camp or settlement to find firewood.

 

 

 

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